How the Bible supports the evolutionary theory (yup, you read it right)

[Khaleesi]

Herrow. :3

So. I know, this is a topic that holds a lot of taboo, especially in more religious countries/states/cities. There is a lot going on in the web about this.

However, saying every person who claims themself a Christian does not support the evolutionary theory should not be taken as a fact. This is common knowledge, which, as expected, is misleading. I am a devout Christian myself! (and that by no means means I'm close minded, either). So, Mhysa is here now to show you that I don't simply believe in evolution, but so does the bible.
The only thing I ask of you guys is that you are open minded when reading this, please.

I'll try to be as brief and as simple as I can:

There is no way human beings can be 100% impartial. Thus, it is understandable that the writing of the Genesis book is related not only to what the writer knows, but also what they understand of. In other words, what I mean is I won't show you molecular biology examples here, unfortunately. x3
Alright. here we go

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"So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good." (Genesis 1:21)

Alright. So, curiously enough, the order mentioned is: from water to flying creatures. The commonly accepted diagram by scientists shows this to be the evolutionary order: Fish, amphibian, reptile, bird, mammal. Now, let us consider that the Israeli lands where the people who wrote these passages were from are extremely dry, having a very limited access to animal life due to the inappropriate conditions for many ways of life. So, besides having a narrower view of the animal life, it's predictable that, because of the conditions the area proportioned to those people, they had to work hard on their harvest and to obtain fresh water, which means they probably did not spent much time observing the animal life. xD

Let me also add that "great creatures" does not restrict to whales, because whales are mammals (although they didn't know that by then). They could potentially mean any great sea creature that lived at the time.

But this is only the water and air life so far.

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"Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind"; and it was so." (Genesis 1:24)

The word "cattle" is defined by Strong as "any large quadruped animal."Quadruped means an animal having four feet. So this would refer to any four-footed beast including the great land dwelling dinosaurs. The words "creeping thing" means "reptile or any other rapidly moving animal." So here we have the reptiles and the mammals. Woooo.

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"Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." (Genesis 1:26)

Play close attention to this part. Adam and Eve had not been mentioned until this point and they will not be mentioned until the next chapter of the Genesis book (check here if you feel like). This is because Adam did not simply poof into existance. And Eve did not simply poof from his rib either.

On the contrary: when God says "let us make man in our image", it means a process took place before hominids actually reached the image of God, which was completed in Adam and Eve. The moment the Homo Sapiens came into existance was the moment their first male was named Adam and their first female, Eve. And the metaphore saying Adam was made of earthenware can easily be linked with stardust. We are, after all, stardust. Atoms. What's left of the "big bang". As for Eve being made from Adam's rib, this should mean they share a resemblance; in other words, a genetic code (why, I did find a way to insert molecular biology here after all!). Our unique 46 cromosome number in diploid cells and 23 in haploid ones. Now, again, due to the lack of understanding on the topic from the writer's part, representing it this way naturally seemed easier.

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aaand I think I'm done for now. But if I find anything else relevant to be put here, I will update it ^u^

Hope you guys enjoyed the thought.

[Naesala]

I'm glad to see someone else who is Christian and gets this. outside my own family, I know far to many Christians who are the stereotyped creationists. Another point I tend to tag on is the relevance of time, such as "What is a day to a god?" or "What is a day before light exists?" If you take a day as metaphorical for a long long period of time, it makes evolution even more likely.

[dragonsdemesne]

I'm also a Christian, and at least to a certain degree, I believe in evolution.  I think that there are flaws in the theory, but it's not complete garbage the way some creationists make it out to be.

Also, Naesala mentions a day (in the context of the Genesis creation) as being a 'long long time', that is, from what I have read in commentaries (secondhand, because I cannot read biblical Hebrew), exactly what the original text says.

[CrockettRocket]

I'm also a Christian who believes in the big bang.
EDIT: As well as Evolution xD thought I put that there the first time..

[Naesala]

I'm also a Christian who believes in the big bang.

Big Bang=/= Evolution honey (Though for reference, I believe in it too). If youwant to add another theory, you should connect it to what's been said.

[Higurashi]

"let us make man in our image"

Aye, I always read this as God working alongside Earth, an entity capable of autonomy that he created (as well the entire universe might be), rather than forcing something into existence. And as Nae said, one day for a god should reasonably be millions of years.

I've always been a Daoist atheist, but to me the word God is just a term you give to the most prominent force in the universe. Along the same lines, "holy" just means the thing you hold the most dear. For example, for my Christian grandma God is the same thing as the love that exists everywhere in the universe.

(btw, love = bond = aether)

[Khaleesi]

I'm glad to see someone else who is Christian and gets this. outside my own family, I know far to many Christians who are the stereotyped creationists. Another point I tend to tag on is the relevance of time, such as "What is a day to a god?" or "What is a day before light exists?" If you take a day as metaphorical for a long long period of time, it makes evolution even more likely.

I believe the same. Somewhere in Psalms it's written "To God, a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day". Which means God's notion of time is far different from ours, and since he is the creator of life, time and everything else there is, I'm pretty sure he wasn't in a hurry when he created the world x3. After all, everything he makes is perfect.

I'm also a Christian, and at least to a certain degree, I believe in evolution.  I think that there are flaws in the theory, but it's not complete garbage the way some creationists make it out to be.

Also, Naesala mentions a day (in the context of the Genesis creation) as being a 'long long time', that is, from what I have read in commentaries (secondhand, because I cannot read biblical Hebrew), exactly what the original text says.

Naturally there may be flaws in it since it's a theory developed by humans, and unfortunately science isn't perfect <3 But still, it's pretty accurate.
Yup, agreed.

"let us make man in our image"

Aye, I always read this as God working alongside Earth, an entity capable of autonomy that he created (as well the entire universe might be), rather than forcing something into existence. And as Nae said, one day for a god should reasonably be millions of years.

I've always been a Daoist atheist, but to me the word God is just a term you give to the most prominent force in the universe. Along the same lines, "holy" just means the thing you hold the most dear. For example, for my Christian grandma God is the same thing as the love that exists everywhere in the universe.

(btw, love = bond = aether)

Exactly. In my personal view, God has created the Earth to be capable of developing life of its own. So the first protobiont that ever existed was a result of Earth. And everything else (dinosaurs and all) were a result of the planet's development. Like it had to go through lots of steps until hominids could develop and become what and how we are today.

[RootRanger]

Actually, the Bible supports Doctor Who lore.

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God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. (Genesis 1:4)

First, let's establish that "light" refers to the time vortex. In the episode The Parting of Ways, Rose says "there was this light" after having absorbed the time vortex. Secondly, God refers to Rassilon, the founder of the Time Lords. In the episode Utopia, the Doctor remarks, "If a Time Lord did that, he'd become a god," referring to what would happen if the time vortex was absorbed by a Time Lord. In the audio story Neverland, Rassilon calls himself "Patris of the Vortex." Thus, we can conclude that Rassilon is the "God" that the bible speaks of. But what about the rest of the passage? Now, "darkness" refers to a black hole, as no light can possibly escape from it. This is also supported by the fact that the Time Lords "practically invented Black Holes," as stated in the episosde The Satan Pit. And what of the part about separating the light from the darkness? In the episode The Deadly Assassin, the Doctor states, "Rassilon stabilised all the elements of a black hole and set them in an eternally dynamic equation," a statement referring to the Eye of Harmony, the power source of a TARDIS. In conclusion, Rassilon (God) saw that time vortex (light) was good, and he separated the time vortex from the darkness (black hole). Pretty cool, huh?

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Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." (Genesis 1:26)

This passage essentially states that Rassilon (God) made the human race in his image. Is this validated by Doctor Who lore? Of course! In the episode The Beast Below, the Doctor states, "No, you look Time Lord. We came first," referring to his human companion, Amy. This statement certainly shows that man looked like God, but was man created by God? Indeed, yes, he was. The audio story Zagreus says that Rassilon caused all intelligent life in his galaxy to evolve in the form of Gallifreyans, like himself. So, there you have it. Rassilon (God) made man in his image.

[CleanOnion]

Would it not be more accurate to say that Doctor Who lore supports the Bible?

[Dm]

Would it not be more accurate to say that Doctor Who lore supports the Bible?

Would it not be more accurate to say that the evolutionary theory supports the Bible?

Answering your question: No. Root's post is as much "bs" as the main post, except that it's a bit more hilarious. Good enough that it's making me post, actually. Both Root and the original post are molding the Bible and twisting it so that it fits the theory they're coming up with. You're twisting X to fit Y, so that X 'supports' Y trying to link them both like they make logical sense, which strenghtens the cred of X. The reverse would obviously not hold true, since Y is the base, and X is just trying to be extra(the support) that fits around it. Y is our 'truth', you're just trying to make it so X looks like less bullshit when comparing it to Y. In this case, Bible looking like less nonsense when compared to the evolution theory. Or looking like it supports Dr. Who lore.
 
Plus, the Bible came first. People weren't creative enough to make Dr. Who back then. But the Bible is a great work of fiction nonetheless.

[Blacksmith]

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[ElementalDearWatson]

I suppose trying to make out that Genesis supports Evolution is easier than trying to make out that it supports astronomy.

Actually, the Bible supports Doctor Who lore.

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God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. (Genesis 1:4)

First, let's establish that "light" refers to the time vortex. In the episode The Parting of Ways, Rose says "there was this light" after having absorbed the time vortex. Secondly, God refers to Rassilon, the founder of the Time Lords. In the episode Utopia, the Doctor remarks, "If a Time Lord did that, he'd become a god," referring to what would happen if the time vortex was absorbed by a Time Lord. In the audio story Neverland, Rassilon calls himself "Patris of the Vortex." Thus, we can conclude that Rassilon is the "God" that the bible speaks of. But what about the rest of the passage? Now, "darkness" refers to a black hole, as no light can possibly escape from it. This is also supported by the fact that the Time Lords "practically invented Black Holes," as stated in the episosde The Satan Pit. And what of the part about separating the light from the darkness? In the episode The Deadly Assassin, the Doctor states, "Rassilon stabilised all the elements of a black hole and set them in an eternally dynamic equation," a statement referring to the Eye of Harmony, the power source of a TARDIS. In conclusion, Rassilon (God) saw that time vortex (light) was good, and he separated the time vortex from the darkness (black hole). Pretty cool, huh?

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Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." (Genesis 1:26)

This passage essentially states that Rassilon (God) made the human race in his image. Is this validated by Doctor Who lore? Of course! In the episode The Beast Below, the Doctor states, "No, you look Time Lord. We came first," referring to his human companion, Amy. This statement certainly shows that man looked like God, but was man created by God? Indeed, yes, he was. The audio story Zagreus says that Rassilon caused all intelligent life in his galaxy to evolve in the form of Gallifreyans, like himself. So, there you have it. Rassilon (God) made man in his image.

Let's not forget "City Of Death" in which it was revealed that it was the Doctor who was responsible for creating all life on Earth by ensuring that Scaroth didn't prevent his ship from exploding.  And he saw that it was good.

The moment the Homo Sapiens came into existance was the moment their first male was named Adam and their first female, Eve.

The flaw with this thinking is in imagining that there was a specific point at which there was a first modern human to be named Adam or Eve.  Implying that there were non-modern humans who gave birth to a modern human is like saying that you can pinpoint to the millimetre where someone goes from being "average sized" to "tall".  Evolution is a more gradual process than that, and any dividing line you'd create would be arbitrary.

Besides which, evolution isn't something that happens to individuals, it's something that happens to populations.  The idea that there would be two individuals who were different to the rest of the population they were part of is simply not how it works.

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