God's Perfection

[maverixk]

3. no such thing as some one who is completely void of selfishness. those who do good things for good karma are selfish in the sense that they only do it for their own happiness.

Well, let's assume there is or can be. The question was does selfishness make someone not perfect(assuming they're perfect in every other way.)

Perfection is a limitation.

Could you explain?

[jmdt]

3. No. Perfection does not exist.

Tell your girlfriend or wife that some day.  Might as well tell her she's fat and getting wrinkles while you are at it, same effect.


When my stargazer lillies bloom, I consider that pretty much perfection.  They are truely beautiful.

He meant true perfection, and I'm sure that they are beautiful, but I'm willing to bet that there's some imperfection.

You are thinking about a philosophical ideal in a scientific manner.  I'm the scientist here, lol  .  So one stargazer has longer blooms, another wider, who cares they are still beautiful lillies.  My premise was that stargazer lillies as a whole I consider perfection.

[Nepycros]

Perfection is a limitation, by saying something cannot become better than its current state, should that state be considered perfection.

[tyranim]

3. no such thing as some one who is completely void of selfishness. those who do good things for good karma are selfish in the sense that they only do it for their own happiness.

Well, let's assume there is or can be. The question was does selfishness make someone not perfect(assuming they're perfect in every other way.)

Perfection is a limitation.

Could you explain?

i believe i can answer the limitation question. as the captain of the research and development squad in bleach once roughly said: to achieve perfection is to achieve absolute boredom. once you are perfect, what is left to strive for? nothing, you have everything and therefor have no more reason to live.

[maverixk]

Perfection is a limitation, by saying something cannot become better than its current state, should that state be considered perfection.

Ok, thanks. however I don't see how that added much to the topic...

[maverixk]

3. No. Perfection does not exist.

Tell your girlfriend or wife that some day.  Might as well tell her she's fat and getting wrinkles while you are at it, same effect.


When my stargazer lillies bloom, I consider that pretty much perfection.  They are truely beautiful.

He meant true perfection, and I'm sure that they are beautiful, but I'm willing to bet that there's some imperfection.

You are thinking about a philosophical ideal in a scientific manner.  I'm the scientist here, lol  .  So one stargazer has longer blooms, another wider, who cares they are still beautiful lillies.  My premise was that stargazer lillies as a whole I consider perfection.

Ok then, you see stargazer lillies as perfect. I'm sure they are beautiful.

3. No. Perfection does not exist.

As far as the premise of this post.  I believe God to be real.  I also believe God to be the embodiment of perfecion.  So by this line of reasoning, anything associated with God must be perfect.

That line of reasoning does not mean that anything associated with God perfect. I have red hair, that does not mean anything associated with me has red hair. To the contrary, most things associated with me don't have red hair.

[Bloodshadow]

3. No. Perfection does not exist.

Tell your girlfriend or wife that some day.  Might as well tell her she's fat and getting wrinkles while you are at it, same effect.

When my stargazer lillies bloom, I consider that pretty much perfection.  They are truly beautiful.

Beauty is not perfection. And, much as I would like to fantasize about, if I do get a girlfriend in the future, she's most certainly not going to be perfect. If I were to say something really cheesy, I would say that she's equal to the limit as one approaches perfection, but even that is a lie. And both me and my future girlfriend will be smart enough to realize it.

Perfection is infinity. Its very nature indicates that it cannot be reached by us finite beings. One of the reasons I don't like Christianity is that it "humanizes" God a bit too much, but I suppose as a human-made religion that cannot be avoided.

i believe i can answer the limitation question. as the captain of the research and development squad in bleach once roughly said: to achieve perfection is to achieve absolute boredom. once you are perfect, what is left to strive for? nothing, you have everything and therefor have no more reason to live.

What he said was that perfection is despair. But Buddhism seems to state otherwise; it says that perfection is contentment, meaning that you want nothing and is perfectly happy with everything. There, that's slightly more optimistic.

[maverixk]

Perfection is infinity. Its very nature indicates that it cannot be reached by us finite beings. One of the reasons I don't like Christianity is that it "humanizes" God a bit too much, but I suppose as a human-made religion that cannot be avoided.

     Actually, my whole reason for making this thread is because of the exact opposite of that. Christianity has made God appear very unhuman-like. Christianity makes God seem like the perfect father. Someone who is without fault, yet kills millions, who is the incarnation of love, yet he has hate. I made this thread to show that the Christian God is NOT perfect. And I do have much knowledge on the matter of Christianity as I've grown up in the church with my dad as one of the pastors.

[Bloodshadow]

Christianity makes God seem like the perfect father.

That is way too human. An infinite being should not even be concerned with a tiny little blue planet in a remote corner of the universe anyways. Christians are convinced that humans are special, while I think not.

[Chromatophore]

   2. Do you believe him to be...for lack of a better term: the physical(spiritual, whatever) embodiment of love?

Just wondering, because i'm not terribly familiar with the texts of the Torah/Bible.  Where is this coming from?  I thought Jesus was all about love and God was more about vengeance

[moomoose]

the correct answer is that man made god, and man is not perfect, so god is not perfect.

[maverixk]

   2. Do you believe him to be...for lack of a better term: the physical(spiritual, whatever) embodiment of love?

Just wondering, because i'm not terribly familiar with the texts of the Torah/Bible.  Where is this coming from?  I thought Jesus was all about love and God was more about vengeance

     I know that it has been said a couple times (I'm not sure exact places right know) that God basically is love. I could be wrong, but even if it's not in those texts I do know it's been taught for a while that that's the truth.

Christianity makes God seem like the perfect father.

That is way too human. An infinite being should not even be concerned with a tiny little blue planet in a remote corner of the universe anyways. Christians are convinced that humans are special, while I think not.

Well, in the christian faith it is said that God created humanity, and as such, cares about his creation.

the correct answer is that man made god, and man is not perfect, so god is not perfect.

Now that sounds like you're trying to disprove God there, and there are plenty of other threads to do that in.