Gay Couples

[Furby]

Yeah, I agree.

It may be a permissive vs preventive, but people will see it as hatred. Honestly though, the only thing religious people keep saying in response is: bible says here God disapproves.

Unfortunately, sometimes religion feels it doesn't need any further justification than "God's will".

Which is really what it all comes down to. It's frustrating, to say the least.

This is why I always try to come from a philosophical standpoint on morals: which I find nothing wrong if two people of same gender want to be together.

Another point to look at: some gay people are people who are gay because of their upbringing. In a sense, they are mentally changed to think that way. Are religious people supposed to say: you are still in sin even though you had no control?
--->this is what I don't like about religiously condemnation on gay people.

[Luminous]

In my opinion, it is ok for gay couples to exists, but do these couples really need to get married?

Does anyone need to get married?

I don't think you need to get married. It's just a simple paper that shows you belong to one person, and that person belongs to you. I think it's kinda slavery. lol

But still, if you love someone, you can be with him, without marrying him.

[Furby]

Agreed. Plus, marriage is just for legal stuff. (there are benefits, but also negative elements that can come about).

I am curious, should we continue taking the moral route or not talk about that?

[Tiko]

In earlier beliefs the bond of marriage mostly served for the simple purpose of the reproduction of the community. It is somewhat natural that most later ones which 'evolved' with man, rejects what fails to do this by inartificial means.

[Furby]

In earlier beliefs the bond of marriage mostly served for the simple purpose of the reproduction of the community. It is somewhat natural that most later ones which 'evolved' with man, rejects what fails to do this by inartificial means.

With that said and until a pastor/religious leader can give me a good reason for gay couples being 'immoral' or 'just wrong,' I have no reason to see anything wrong with Gay couples.

Although, on that note, have there been arguments that being heterosexual is genetic?

[Pella]

have there been arguments that being heterosexual is genetic?

An argument that homosexuality is genetic == An argument that sexuality is genetic == An argument that heterosexuality is genetic

[Furby]

Assuming we are allowed to call it genetic: would you call this 'gene' a gene that could be expressed either way or there are 2 types?

Either way: example like strength. If you choose to do things in life that make you stronger, you will be stronger/muscle tone and vice versa (strength isn't the best example, height it probably a better one).

2 types: there are both heterosexual and homosexual genes out there.

Either way=one gene

(from articles I have been reading from scientists with Phd's, they said 'I have never, nor know of any 'gay gene'')

[Fireleaf]

If homosexuality was genetic:

Since heterosexual couples are more likely to reproduce than homosexual couples, then by evolution over time the gene for homosexuality would die out.

Therefore homosexuality cannot be genetic.

[Dm]

That'd be correct in a perfect world where there is absolutely no chance of mutation or change in the Genes of a fetus.

Which is obviously not the case in this planet.

[Pella]

If homosexuality was genetic:

Since heterosexual couples are more likely to reproduce than homosexual couples, then by evolution over time the gene for homosexuality would die out.

Therefore homosexuality cannot be genetic.

Not true.

That'd be correct in a perfect world where there is absolutely no chance of mutation or change in the Genes of a fetus.

Which is obviously not the case in this planet.

Better.

Homosexuality in animals is relatively common when the local population of a certain species is overgrowing its habitat.  In addition to dying off for lack of food, the inability of certain couples to reproduce helps bring down the population to a level the environment can support.  Some have argued that the same thing is happening with humans.  We outgrew what this planet could support a long time ago.  We're hanging on by a thread now.  The Day After Tomorrow is closer than we'd care to admit.

[OldTrees]

If homosexuality was genetic:

Since heterosexual couples are more likely to reproduce than homosexual couples, then by evolution over time the gene for homosexuality would die out.

Therefore homosexuality cannot be genetic.

Mostly accurate. However such a gene would not necessarily die out. There are plenty of recessive genes that when expressed result in lower fitness. However these genes are passed on by the heterozygous carriers.

However look here for more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation

[Furby]

Yeah, the genetic argument makes sense there.

Although, in my opinion, homosexuality/heterosexuality has all to with your upbringing. I have not seen enough evidence to consider a 'gay' gene yet.

Today, for example, kids are being taught homosexuality is normal, so you are going to see, possibly, less resistance to Gay's in the future. Those who are told it was not normal will of course be opposed.

There is of course the kind of lifestyle you are born into, such as people around, class status, wealth, etc.