Gay Couples

[Naesala]

Yeah, the genetic argument makes sense there.

Although, in my opinion, homosexuality/heterosexuality has all to with your upbringing. I have not seen enough evidence to consider a 'gay' gene yet.

Today, for example, kids are being taught homosexuality is normal, so you are going to see, possibly, less resistance to Gay's in the future. Those who are told it was not normal will of course be opposed.

There is of course the kind of lifestyle you are born into, such as people around, class status, wealth, etc.

Do you feel the same about bi and pan sexuality?

Also of note, I can say for certain that I have met gay people who have been brought up in VERY anti-gay areas and are still gay.

[Furby]

I do.

As for gay people in non-gay communities growing up, it is also the way their family is influenced.

One example is children growing up without a father figure. They learn to be friends with women since they learn the qualities of women from their mom and in turn treat women as friends only.

Another is being bullied by same-sex children. Sometimes turns into a sexual longing to getting to know that 'sex' since they didn't let you at a young age.

It is all about your upbringing because Children are not born hetero/homo. It all depends on how they are brought up and is not passed down.

[Naesala]

There currently is not enough evidence, in my opinion, to claim any side as right, but personally I think it can be genetic and/or the way someone is raised. Both sides make compelling arguements that aren't contradictory and I personally see both being possible.

[Furby]

Agreed.

To not kill the conversation (unless you want to  ), want to talk about negative/positive elements gay people bring to the world?

[Naesala]

Agreed.

To not kill the conversation (unless you want to  ), want to talk about negative/positive elements gay people bring to the world?

Hop on chat or PM me or start a new thread, as thats not the intent of this one. But sure.

[BeefSupreme]

There currently is not enough evidence, in my opinion, to claim any side as right, but personally I think it can be genetic and/or the way someone is raised. Both sides make compelling arguements that aren't contradictory and I personally see both being possible.

I do.

As for gay people in non-gay communities growing up, it is also the way their family is influenced.

One example is children growing up without a father figure. They learn to be friends with women since they learn the qualities of women from their mom and in turn treat women as friends only.

Another is being bullied by same-sex children. Sometimes turns into a sexual longing to getting to know that 'sex' since they didn't let you at a young age.

It is all about your upbringing because Children are not born hetero/homo. It all depends on how they are brought up and is not passed down.

I would tend to lean towards the side of it's the way they're brought up. Like examples that Furby stated previously, there are a bazillion things that could happen to a child's development that could cause him to be homosexual. I have a friend who's best friend just came out of the closet; and now he's questioning his sexuality and having a hard time (though I personally think he's just confused). Just stuff like that could have a big impact on kids as they grow up. Of course, I'm always open to all the possibilities.

[KhaosSyphon]

There currently is not enough evidence, in my opinion, to claim any side as right, but personally I think it can be genetic and/or the way someone is raised. Both sides make compelling arguements that aren't contradictory and I personally see both being possible.

I do.

As for gay people in non-gay communities growing up, it is also the way their family is influenced.

One example is children growing up without a father figure. They learn to be friends with women since they learn the qualities of women from their mom and in turn treat women as friends only.

Another is being bullied by same-sex children. Sometimes turns into a sexual longing to getting to know that 'sex' since they didn't let you at a young age.

It is all about your upbringing because Children are not born hetero/homo. It all depends on how they are brought up and is not passed down.

I would tend to lean towards the side of it's the way they're brought up. Like examples that Furby stated previously, there are a bazillion things that could happen to a child's development that could cause him to be homosexual. I have a friend who's best friend just came out of the closet; and now he's questioning his sexuality and having a hard time (though I personally think he's just confused). Just stuff like that could have a big impact on kids as they grow up. Of course, I'm always open to all the possibilities.

Another possible explanation is that the sexuality of child can be determined by the hormones present in the womb when the child is not yet born. There is some research that supports that (I'll go find a link to later...). But the upbringing of the child could be another good explanation. There's actually a recent study that showed that mice raised by one parent actually had different brain structures than mice raised by two parents (http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-05-brain-parents.html [nofollow]). Since mice and man are genetically similar, this could happen to humans, and it suggests that the way a child is raised may have many deep effects, including biological ones.

[Savage]

Yeah, that is possible, but the thing is: from history, majority, if not all at one point, of all people were heterosexual. If there was a gay gene, then either a) proof of a non-gay gene mutation (is there such a thing?) or b) cultural influence can dictate genes which I find little evidence for.

[OldTrees]

Yeah, that is possible, but the thing is: from history, majority, if not all at one point, of all people were heterosexual.

No evidence of this. People are likely to hide behavior that would have resulted in them being murdered.

[Savage]

That is a possibility and would be a plausible explanation as to why gays are more open in today's society. So, would you say, and not just for gays, that people would be more open about themselves in society if they didn't think they would get ridiculed?

I can think of an example for both ways to this question if that helps.

[OldTrees]

That is a possibility and would be a plausible explanation as to why gays are more open in today's society. So, would you say, and not just for gays, that people would be more open about themselves in society if they didn't think they would get ridiculed?

I can think of an example for both ways to this question if that helps.

While I agree, my statement was about when the consequence was murder not merely ridicule.

[Savage]

Why do most religions deny gay people the right to get married if they're in love? Why would an all-loving "God" allow this kind of hatred towards homosexuals?

OP question:

So, Trees, a lot of religions, especially Christianity in the years of Israel as a growing nation, people were killed/severely punished if they were gay. The bible is not in favor of being gay either, but what would you say is the reason God would deny gays? Every time i ask religious people I get what most people here have posted: bible says so or 'not in God's character.'