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Faith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50721.msg1092034#msg1092034
« on: August 12, 2013, 02:25:24 am »
Can we please clarify what faith is?

Here is my take in it. To be 'saved' in Christianity, you need to have 'faith' in God, not blind hope. Faith is 'tangible' according to Paul. Faith=trust in that sense, a trust that says you have proven yourself first, now you are asking for me to trust you (faith=proven trust in a sense).

Examples:

Simon didn't blindly follow God. God gave him something first (the catching of many fish).

When the Israelites were to cross the Jordan river. God didn't say 'jump in and you'll be fine,' but rather said to put the ark of the covenant ahead (symbolzing he goes before you to show he will hold his part of the deal first).

Moses: 1) burning bush: basically proved to Moses through their conversation that he was not hallucinating and that it seemed legit.
            2) Red sea: asked Moses to do a simple act and nothing risky (holding up his staff or using it basically).

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Re: Faith https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50721.msg1092038#msg1092038
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2013, 02:54:41 am »
I think we can take 'faith' in a literal definition, where one has faith, or trusts, in a decision, as you have pointed out.  In the context of religion, we can have 'faith' in our decision, or trust we made the right decision, of choosing whatever entity we do or not deem sovereign in our existence.

However, this doesn't necessarily require the need of proof, as you mention.

Yes, God provides incentive to believe, to trust, to have faith in him in the form of these relatively great feats, but that is because the target audience has been proven to be hesitant of having blind faith, particularly since this is the deity that left them to be enslaved by the Egyptians and made to wander around a desert for a generation.

I, myself, am not sure if this is a proper way to approach a religion, but it may be important to point out the existence of 'blind faith,' where people don't feel the need to directly witness particular feat to feel compelled to believe.  This may be from, but not limited to, the use of anecdotal evidence when being informed of said religion or being immersed in a community that is devoted to a particular religion to 'convert' an individual to a particular religion or sect.


 

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