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Explain this, evolution believers. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13997.msg176745#msg176745
« on: October 15, 2010, 04:28:08 am »
You say there was no global flood. How to you explain the fossils far above sea level?


EDIT: I meant sea fossils.

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Re: Explain this, evolution believers. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13997.msg176749#msg176749
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2010, 04:38:02 am »
Forget that, how do YOU explain fossils?

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Re: Explain this, evolution believers. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13997.msg176752#msg176752
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2010, 04:47:50 am »
I find this debate to be quite unfair. You ask us science-believers to "explain things", but if we ask you the same thing, you'll just say "God did it because He is omnipotent". And just because we have yet to find out the cause of something, doesn't mean that God did it.

How would I explain the fossils above sea level? Why, a global flood, of course. Hit the icebergs with a big meteor, they melt, and the Earth is flooded. A global flood is a phenomenon that doesn't necessarily have to be religious.
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Re: Explain this, evolution believers. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13997.msg176764#msg176764
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2010, 05:15:41 am »
Yah, pretty much.
Because of things like Plate Tectonics, a lot of what is now mountains and hills used to be below sea-level millions of years ago.
The fossils were created below the sea, and then when the plates collided, a mountain formed at that spot, causing fossils to appear at particularly high elevations.
Also, what does evolution have anything to do with this?
You can be atheist and not believe in evolution.

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Re: Explain this, evolution believers. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13997.msg176767#msg176767
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2010, 05:18:51 am »
Easy.  Remember that the shape of the earth changes.

See, stupid arguments like this give [insert side here] a bad name.  Please avoid them in the future.

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Re: Explain this, evolution believers. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13997.msg176862#msg176862
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2010, 09:54:51 am »
You say there was no global flood. How to you explain the fossils far above sea level?
You are a funny man. If you believe fossil records actually support the global flood, you did not think about a coherent explanation, or a system, if you will. Your question is vague.

Answer 1:) Many land animals died far above sea level.

Answer 2:) Now on a bit more serious a note, I shall assume you meant the sea animal fossils found on what is land today. The answer is: This land was flooded by the sea at the time, or a sea animal was transported to land somehow, though this would be rare. This can apply to mountains, if they had not been formed when the fossil was created.

Let me say there is absolutely no coherent evidence for a global flood! Think with me now, but now, systematically.

1) Marine life is far easier to fossilize than land life.   
2) In a global flood marine life does not have to die.
3) In a global flood most land life would die.

Conclusion:

Show me this fossil layer in which most land life died, but not the marine life. You cannot demonstrate this layer is there, because it isn't. You don't even have an idea when this flood was supposed to have taken place. 100 million years ago? 200? 300? Give me any time frame and I willl explain it is impossible.
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Re: Explain this, evolution believers. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13997.msg176935#msg176935
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2010, 01:58:58 pm »
Forget that, how do YOU explain fossils?
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Re: Explain this, evolution believers. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13997.msg176939#msg176939
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2010, 02:11:24 pm »
What does your post have to do with your topic title?

If you want some answers, at least get your question right.

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Re: Explain this, evolution believers. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13997.msg176941#msg176941
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2010, 02:13:02 pm »
You say there was no global flood. How to you explain the fossils far above sea level?
Wait, there are what?!

Oh my god!

This changes everything!

But on a less trollish note, let's try one of many reasonable explanations:
1)  Many land animals died far above sea level.  These are known as reptiles, mammals, and birds.
2)  Water moves.
3)  Fossils move through the /magic/ of plate tectonics.

Now I'd like you to kindly look at the Religion forum.

You see all those lovely topics where the opening post doesn't directly attempt to disprove someone's religious beliefs?  Copy them.  I can respect the fact that you are religious, please respect the opposing "religion" science provides.

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Re: Explain this, evolution believers. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13997.msg177382#msg177382
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2010, 03:08:53 am »
The one thing I fail to understand is this: How can a global flood disprove evolution and prove the existence of God? Just because the Bible had a flood in it, doesn't mean all global floods are related to religion.
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Re: Explain this, evolution believers. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13997.msg177443#msg177443
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2010, 05:44:47 am »
You say there was no global flood. How to you explain the fossils far above sea level?
Wait, there are what?!

Oh my god!

This changes everything!

But on a less trollish note, let's try one of many reasonable explanations:
1)  Many land animals died far above sea level.  These are known as reptiles, mammals, and birds.
2)  Water moves.
3)  Fossils move through the /magic/ of plate tectonics.

Now I'd like you to kindly look at the Religion forum.

You see all those lovely topics where the opening post doesn't directly attempt to disprove someone's religious beliefs?  Copy them.  I can respect the fact that you are religious, please respect the opposing "religion" science provides.
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Re: Explain this, evolution believers. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13997.msg177656#msg177656
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2010, 03:57:57 pm »
Gl1tch explained it nicely, but if you want a more crazy explanation:

- Birds/other animals took a sea-living animal, ate the animal and left the shell. Or dropped the darn thing.
- After the something something Ice Age, large chunks of ice moved over the land. They carried dead animals in them.

 

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