Evolution and Intelligent Design

[TheOwner]

Where is this evidence that leans way from intelligent design?

You may want to consult one of the tens of thousands of scientific papers on the subject. That isn't an exaggeration, btw.

There are no scientific papers on intelligent design, there are a great many on evolution. But as I said earlier evidence for evolution is not evidence against an intelligence behind the formation of life.

exactly why i asked what the evidence against it was

As I said the evidence is inconclusive but evolution can coexist with intelligent design for all who say it cant you need learn a little more about different religions.  Hinduism for example believes in a god but it believes in all gods

I am not an atheist I am undecided.  Evolution can co-exist with Christianity, Judaism, and I think Islam but I haven't read enough to be 100% sure.  It's all about interpretation.

One view that is impossible to prove against is the What You Believe, the basic idea is this:

-Whatever you believe is true in YOUR reality
-Blue Priest believes there is a god so there is a god in BLUE PRIEST's reality
-lawlmaster09 believes in Allah so Allah exists in LAWLMASTER09's reality

So we're all right our brains our a powerful thing.  It's also the basic idea behind why insane people think they're normal etc.

[ratcharmer]

@ratcharmer: umm i didnt see any models, but i might have skipped a page . okay, the part about the god coming back was a joke, NOT THE WHOLE FRIGGIN THING! i never cited any evidence, i simply stated that ID(as we know it) cannot co-exist, unless you want to admit that god doesnt exist. why cant god exist? because evolution is natural selection, NATURAL, not artificial, god making them evolve, is ARTIFICIAL selection. what? you ask why evolution cannot also bend a little? because if it DOES then it ceaces to be "evolution".

I have underlined the part that makes you wrong. You can't simply state something and assume that's proof.

A model is a term used for how a person is envisioning things. Thus your model is how you describe the way God, intelligent design and evolution interact.

As to your "why can't god exist" line of reasoning . . . you clearly misunderstand either evolution, intelligent design, God, or some combination of the three, because that reasoning really doesn't follow even remotely.

I stated previously, evolution tells us in what manner organisms change over time, whereas intelligent design deals with how life began in the first place. The two do not overlap.

As to the natural versus artificial argument, according to most theistic religions God (or gods) created the natural world, knowing everything about it and all of the consequences each detail would have, thus your distinction between natural and artificial here is completely irrelevant to most religions.

On a closing note I give you the definition of laced, from dictionary.com
To add or intersperse with something in order to produce a certain effect: "Quacks now lace their pitch with scientific terms that may sound authentic to the uninformed"

[TheOwner]

I personally think that since most religions say that the Intelligent Being will not speak to you there is no way of truly proving most religions.  People say that God gives them signs but those can be coincidences I find that half the time I say oh yeah that happened to me too.  So I have trouble believing in a god that is based on what people wrote thousands of years ago.  I don't not believe in god, but I can't say I do.

[ratcharmer]

I dunno, I talk to God all the time

[TheOwner]

Does he respond?  Do you ask him to make a purple goat riding a sheep stand in front of you for solid proof?  Some times I wonder.  I go either way but I can never be 100% sure and since I'm a math person and I rely heavily on logic I have to be 100% sure.

[ratcharmer]

Yes, He does respond, no I haven't asked for purple goats.

I'd be happy to go into more detail, but we're getting off-topic so if you want to we should probably make a new thread.

[TheOwner]

How are we getting off topic god is intelligent design this is what we're talking about.  How does he respond?

[lawlmaster09]

ID states that god created all living things, evolution states that we evolved from other organisms.

i just dont see whats so hard to understand about that! evolution states that we STARTED OUT as bacterium and evolved into us. ID states that we were "poofed" into existance at around 6000 years ago i believe, i might be wrong about the timing though. i just CANNOT think of any reason why and how you think that they can co-exist!

well, i know WHY; you want to have some proof of real things, while still having an almighty diety.

[TheOwner]

I assume your going with the Christian story line correct?  Evolution coexists with Genesis.

1.  Genesis is very metaphorical
2.  One God day doesn't have to equal one human day (human day gets longer and longer all the time)
3.  Almost any religion that doesn't specifically say evolution does not exist can be interpreted to fit with evolution

[lawlmaster09]

1. yes, i know, but so what?

2. again, so what?

3. yes, i know, but the religeon must bend ALOT! and also it is implied that evolution is false.

[ratcharmer]

How are we getting off topic god is intelligent design this is what we're talking about.  How does he respond?

I'll respond to this in a PM if that's okay. My interactions with God are kinda personal so I don't really want to post them here.

[TheOwner]

It does not have to bend a lot and your saying that Christianity doesn't fit with evolution?  That is completely false it barely bends at all.

How are we getting off topic god is intelligent design this is what we're talking about.  How does he respond?

I'll respond to this in a PM if that's okay. My interactions with God are kinda personal so I don't really want to post them here.

Sure that's fine