Evolution and Intelligent Design

[airframe]

Many Chrsitians believe that God guided evolution, me on the other hand, see common designer instead of common descent when I look at biology, and archeology.

If you think of natural selection as a designer, then yes, it's same for all living things.

But how you come to think it's a god.

[BluePriest]

true, god(or some higher being (maybe even aliens )) MIGHT have guided evolution, the wiping out of the dinosaurs, for example. but that is NOT intelligent design.

yes, there IS a common designer, in a way. we all evolved from the same thing: bacterium. that is why many things have similarities, because we are (in a sense) "related", not like brothers/sisters but like cousins... sorta...

the thing alot of religeous people say is that evolution is more complicated, in order to be an athiest, you either have to be brought up as an athiest or you have to study and and think a little bit. for christians, all they have to say is "god did it!".

Nothing here actually shows evidence against intelligent design though. That is my point. Its sorta like circumstantial evidence.

Many Chrsitians believe that God guided evolution, me on the other hand, see common designer instead of common descent when I look at biology, and archeology.

If you think of natural selection as a designer, then yes, it's same for all living things.

But how you come to think it's a god.

?? Im confused as to what you are asking.

[PhuzzY LogiK]

dudes... evolution CANT co-exist with intelligent design, intelligent design is the EXACT OPPOSITE of evolution, therefore evidence for evolution IS evidence against intelligent design.

you might say: why cant evolution and intelligent design co-exist?

well, because: evolution states (with proof) that humans and all modern animals evolved from what you creationists like to call "primordial soup"(i have no idea WTF u guys were thinking when u called it that )

intelligent design states (with the only proof being the bible or something :/) that god(or maybe the flying spaghetti monster ) made humans go "poof" into existence.

What about deism?

There are no scientific papers on intelligent design, there are a great many on evolution. But as I said earlier evidence for evolution is not evidence against an intelligence behind the formation of life.

There are no scientific papers on intelligent design, there are a great many on evolution.

There are no scientific papers on intelligent design...

 

EXACTLY!

[airframe]

Many Chrsitians believe that God guided evolution, me on the other hand, see common designer instead of common descent when I look at biology, and archeology.

If you think of natural selection as a designer, then yes, it's same for all living things.

But how you come to think it's a god.

?? Im confused as to what you are asking.
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Well, what do you think this commmon designer is and how did you come to that conclusion.

[BluePriest]

@Phuzzy Logik- instead of quoting, ill just reference like this since I dont like quote pyramids.
There are a lot of theological studies though.

@Puppychow
Well, since Im a Christian, I believe that common designer to be God.  Ive come to this conclusion because of personal convictions.

[lawlmaster09]

@PhuzzY LogiK

the reason there are no scientific papers on intelligent design is because intelligent design is NOT scientific.

@BluePriest

MY point is that evidence for evolution IS evidence against intelligent design

[BluePriest]

@PhuzzY LogiK

the reason there are no scientific papers on intelligent design is because intelligent design is NOT scientific.

@BluePriest

MY point is that evidence for evolution IS evidence against intelligent design

how is it against it, show me an example. I think you underestimate ID

[lawlmaster09]

OMFG!

okay... let me tell it to you in a metaphor...

if for some reason you need to know whether a guy drank pepsi, or coke, evidence that he drank pepsi means that he didnt drink coke! A.K.A. evidence agains him drinking coke.

besides there is no solid evidence of religeon in the first place -.-

[ratcharmer]

Okay, I think we need some clarification here:

The Theory of Evolution states that living organisms will change over the course of generations, since organisms more fit to survive are more likely to reproduce and pass their genes on to offspring. Evolution  is well supported by a huge array of scientific evidence.

Intelligent Design states that there is some form of sentience involved in creating life, that sentience is often associated with God, but doesn't necessarily have to be to count as intelligent design.

Now this is what I'd like to point out: one of the two deals with how organisms change over time, and the other deals with how there came to be organsims in the first place. These are in no way opposites.

The "primordial soup" that most of you have probably heard about is not part of the theory of evolution, nor is it supported by very much. The original hypothesis behind this arose due to an experiment wherein a researcher was able to synthesize a few amino acids from chemicals. Even the scientist (I forget the name, I'll update the post if I can find it) who ran this experiment has said that this is not a solid piece of evidence.

[BluePriest]

Maybe your misunderstanding what Im saying. Ill make it clearer.

The evidence for evolution doesnt disprove ID. I could use something that someone says in support of evolution, and instead say that it actually supports ID. Therefor it doesnt disprove it.

So show me evidence for evolution that I couldnt use as support for ID.

[lawlmaster09]

what you are saying is true, I.D. can co-exist with evolution, BUT, not on the level that most(probably all) creationists believe.

if ID and evolution co-exist, that means that some sentient being of candy syrup (joke to lighten the mood ) made bacterium, and then was like... well, this sucks, ima go to another planet. and he obviously hasnt retuned yet, otherwise he would be like "hey, dudez! i created you! whoz yo dadday NOU bichez!"


that is the ONLY way evolution and ID can co-exist. if you have another idea, i plead that thou shalt blesseth me with thy theory of E.I.D.

[ratcharmer]

what you are saying is true, I.D. can co-exist with evolution, BUT, not on the level that most(probably all) creationists believe.

if ID and evolution co-exist, that means that some sentient being of candy syrup (joke to lighten the mood ) made bacterium, and then was like... well, this sucks, ima go to another planet. and he obviously hasnt retuned yet, otherwise he would be like "hey, dudez! i created you! whoz yo dadday NOU bichez!"


that is the ONLY way evolution and ID can co-exist. if you have another idea, i plead that thou shalt blesseth me with thy theory of E.I.D.

Well I already linked to a book by one of the leading scientists of our time that outlines in great detail exactly how evolution and intelligent design can be integrated into a single theory, without any major conflicts.

. . . and your model states that, for completely unspecified reasons, God would have to say "hey, dudez! i created you! whoz yo dadday NOU bichez!". I get that this is meant to be silly, but there's really absolutely no reason to expect a deity to do something like that.

One could even argue that God announcing himself like that  would constitute direct interference with free will . . . that argument would probably drag us off topic though