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Re: Does it matter whether God exists or not? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33458.msg448809#msg448809
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2012, 11:38:46 pm »
It matters when they try and push there ignorant belief on me personally or my countries laws.
Yes, but they'd do it even if God didn't exist, because they don't actually know for sure whether God exists, hence my argument.
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Re: Does it matter whether God exists or not? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33458.msg448821#msg448821
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2012, 12:17:49 am »
Belief in god only matters if there are consequences due to that belief (whether they are good or bad consequences). If god doesnt care what you believe then it wont matter regardless. Im asuming this topic is only about if god cares if you believe in him/her/it or not.

1) As stated earlier, the afterlife.
2) If the god will intervenes in your life based on your belief.



This is simply stating my belief on if it matters before getting into any debate.
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Re: Does it matter whether God exists or not? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33458.msg448861#msg448861
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2012, 02:13:52 am »
Debate only matters in 3 cases

Case 1: When one side is trying to bully the other side into changing their beliefs. (This includes laws)
This case matters because it is wrong and usually fallacious. (Even when it is the Atheists that are being the bullies)

Case 2: When both sides are discussing the topic out of interest and desire for knowledge.
This case matters because it is valued by the participants.

Case 3: When belief/non belief matters.
This should be related to case 2 but all too often is related to case 1.
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Re: Does it matter whether God exists or not? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33458.msg448917#msg448917
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2012, 06:30:19 am »
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This is a pretty strong approach (and one I have embraced up to a point), but unfortunately there are some... issues.
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objectivity is impossible.
...many problems due to Heisenberg's Principle too (which cannot be as easily handwaved). Basically, when you define what is "real" to everybody you stumble upon the fact that the reality you perceive and "live in" may or may not be the same perceived (and thus "lived in") by other people.
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I don't think this is really all that off topic. It's at least tangentially related. If objective truth and certainty are important things, this has some bearing on whether God's existence matters, or at least whether knowledge of God's nature of the kind that religions claim to have is important.

We don't require objective truth or certainty, so issues like the Uncertainty Principle aren't really that big of a deal. We can still understand each other even though we don't mean exactly the same thing. We can still launch rockets into space based on very specific calculations. It would be nice if communication were perfect and we had access to certain knowledge, but it's not necessary. In many cases we can approximate way better than we would ever need anyway.

 

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