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Re: Does God Exist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=956.msg40124#msg40124
« Reply #168 on: March 18, 2010, 01:30:43 am »
we know nothing, end of story
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Re: Does God Exist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=956.msg40166#msg40166
« Reply #169 on: March 18, 2010, 03:13:25 am »
i do not think we know nothing.  i am sure we all know alot but there are people who find a higher power in believing in something that does not exist.

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Re: Does God Exist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=956.msg40949#msg40949
« Reply #170 on: March 19, 2010, 12:31:49 pm »
we know nothing, end of story
i do not think we know nothing.  i am sure we all know alot but there are people who find a higher power in believing in something that does not exist.
Imo, I think he was being sarcastic. Then again I could be wrong, which is nothing new.
This is a very touchy subject to some and it will go on, and on, and on. No one will ever know for sure. I am not saying that there isn't a God.
 

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Re: Does God Exist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=956.msg41836#msg41836
« Reply #171 on: March 21, 2010, 04:39:15 am »
still have to say god does not exist. sarcasm or not. guess my drunken self should not get involved in these debates.

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Re: Does God Exist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=956.msg41970#msg41970
« Reply #172 on: March 21, 2010, 03:19:39 pm »
In my opinion, even if a higher being existed, it is most likely not the kind of god in our religions. Since we have no evidence of the existence of god until now, how does those religious groups able to make such detailed books about gods and creation of the world such as the Bible? It is without a doubt that those religious text originates from our own imaginations. So, if there is a god, we haven't had any conscious encounter with him/her, so the religions and the belief of the religious groups are most likely false, acting on those beliefs is foolish.

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Re: Does God Exist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=956.msg42232#msg42232
« Reply #173 on: March 22, 2010, 02:30:11 am »
In my opinion, even if a higher being existed, it is most likely not the kind of god in our religions. Since we have no evidence of the existence of god until now, how does those religious groups able to make such detailed books about gods and creation of the world such as the Bible? It is without a doubt that those religious text originates from our own imaginations. So, if there is a god, we haven't had any conscious encounter with him/her, so the religions and the belief of the religious groups are most likely false, acting on those beliefs is foolish.
... so Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter will be the new bible 2000 years later?

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Re: Does God Exist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=956.msg42237#msg42237
« Reply #174 on: March 22, 2010, 02:33:53 am »
Oh, that's a wonderful insight! Maybe they thought those are actual histories that are forbidden knowledge and are not allowed to be passed on and they will spend all their time trying to make a chopstick produce magical flame and make ring to become invisible.

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Re: Does God Exist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=956.msg42240#msg42240
« Reply #175 on: March 22, 2010, 02:39:26 am »
Oh, that's a wonderful insight! Maybe they thought those are actual histories that are forbidden knowledge and are not allowed to be passed on and they will spend all their time trying to make a chopstick produce magical flame and make ring to become invisible.
Then they check the internet archive and find these posts and use them as proof that HP and LotRs are the truth!
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Re: Does God Exist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=956.msg42271#msg42271
« Reply #176 on: March 22, 2010, 03:46:26 am »
And then they realize nothing Kurohami says makes any sense. Seriously, what are you saying?

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Since we have no evidence of the existence of god until now
If that's true and the evidence is irrefutable, looks like I win.

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how does those religious groups able to make such detailed books about gods and creation of the world such as the Bible?
Pen and paper.

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It is without a doubt that those religious text originates from our own imaginations.
Without a doubt you say? Hmmm.... then why do so many people not doubt them? It seems to me that if something is without a doubt, everyone and their mother would see it the same way.

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So, if there is a god, we haven't had any conscious encounter with him/her
But in religious texts, people have had plenty of encounters with gods. And you haven't really proven that religious texts are false, so they might be true.

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so the religions and the belief of the religious groups are most likely false, acting on those beliefs is foolish.
It seems to me that calling others foolish for what they believe based on what you believe is actually what's foolish.

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Re: Does God Exist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=956.msg42327#msg42327
« Reply #177 on: March 22, 2010, 08:51:16 am »
Without having read this whole Topic I state the Following.

- Things only Exist because you believe they Exist
- Without the belief that something exists, it does not exist

If I accept that you exist and you have belief that a god exists then god exists but only as a statement of belief from something you believe exists

If you do not accept that god exists but accept an entity that believes god exists then god both does and does not exist at the same time. This is a similar paradox to that given in the Schrödinger's cat experiment. The issue is that there can be no final definition that sets the result as being one case or another only various evidence that may help the guess of the result once defined.

LOL. I just used science to proove that God does and does not exist.

PS. I'm Agnostic which in itself is a paradoxism as I just prooved that god both exists and does not exist and have a religion that says that it cannot be proven that god exists or does not exist.

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Re: Does God Exist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=956.msg42388#msg42388
« Reply #178 on: March 22, 2010, 02:56:04 pm »
if i am ever sarcastic, i will let it be known.
my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard and they're like "its better than yours" damn right, its better than yours! i can teach you but i'd have to charge!

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Re: Does God Exist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=956.msg42458#msg42458
« Reply #179 on: March 22, 2010, 08:07:46 pm »
And then they realize nothing Kurohami says makes any sense. Seriously, what are you saying?

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Since we have no evidence of the existence of god until now
If that's true and the evidence is irrefutable, looks like I win.

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how does those religious groups able to make such detailed books about gods and creation of the world such as the Bible?
Pen and paper.

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It is without a doubt that those religious text originates from our own imaginations.
Without a doubt you say? Hmmm.... then why do so many people not doubt them? It seems to me that if something is without a doubt, everyone and their mother would see it the same way.

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So, if there is a god, we haven't had any conscious encounter with him/her
But in religious texts, people have had plenty of encounters with gods. And you haven't really proven that religious texts are false, so they might be true.

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so the religions and the belief of the religious groups are most likely false, acting on those beliefs is foolish.
It seems to me that calling others foolish for what they believe based on what you believe is actually what's foolish.
Your arguments quite contradict themselves if you know what I mean. I can't understand your stand on the matter after reading the entire post, so are you implying that gods exist, and people have had many encounters with them to write a accurate records? You said they wrote Bible with pen and paper, that might be true, but then the original Bible might be written on parchments in stead of paper. Even assuming you are right, most fantasy novels are also written with pen and paper first, that doesn't make them reliable records of the truth. I said it's without a doubt that the religious text originates from people's imagination, and you asked "why are there so many people not doubt them?" That's because they never thought about how the writer of the religious text get their ideas, they just believe it because they want to, not because they actually think some gods told the writer what to write.  You said that there are records of actual encounters with Gods in religious text, and they have not yet been proven false. But then, you can't prove any fantasy story false because we don't know everything in the world, and so we can't prove something we don't know don't exist. And, do you have evidence that any of those "recorded encounters with gods" did actually happen then? If you don't, then your idea is not in any way more supported than mine. You said "calling others foolish for what they believe based on what you believe is actually what's foolish", that is not what I said, I didn't call people foolish for what they believe, I said "acting" on something you believe without evidence that it's right is foolish. Do you still remember the genocide in Rwanda? The Hutu people killed hundreds of thousands of Tutsi people based on their belief that the size of their nose make them superior. Was that not foolish? If they believe the size of one's nose makes one superior, it's fine, maybe it's even true in some ways, but they acted on these beliefs without any real evidence supporting it. There were many other such examples through out the history of mankind. If you think they weren't foolish, then you just like them. No offence meant, just proving my point.

 

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