Does God Exist?

[kafel]

I was just wondering, why is it that when people cuss, they use god' name and stuff like jesus, hell, christ, and damn. (BTW if you didn't notice: all have to do with Christianity and its ideas of hell, damnation, and heaven) Why not anything else? I think this somehow relates to the idea of God's existence. In the Bible (if you read it) it states that the world hates Christians and God. From all the everyday and abundant cussing that involves God, i think that it might show this verse (i forgot where it's stated, can someone show me where). Seems to me that the world does hate God. And if so, this shows that the Bible has at least some credibility. Now if you agree that the cussing shows that the world hates God but question what it proves, keep in mind that the Bible, whether you believe is true or not, was written many years before our current age so if it talks about something that happened many centuries later, which is present, it might have credibility, what it says might be true... But i will admit it is hard to prove explicitly because I know some Christians cuss using God's name and hating God is pretty broad, but i thought i'd share something that i thought was kinda interesting: never thought too much about cussing until now

[Kamietsu]

I was just wondering, why is it that when people cuss, they use god' name and stuff like jesus, hell, christ, and damn. (BTW if you didn't notice: all have to do with Christianity and its ideas of hell, damnation, and heaven) Why not anything else? I think this somehow relates to the idea of God's existence. In the Bible (if you read it) it states that the world hates Christians and God. From all the everyday and abundant cussing that involves God, i think that it might show this verse (i forgot where it's stated, can someone show me where). Seems to me that the world does hate God. And if so, this shows that the Bible has at least some credibility. Now if you agree that the cussing shows that the world hates God but question what it proves, keep in mind that the Bible, whether you believe is true or not, was written many years before our current age so if it talks about something that happened many centuries later, which is present, it might have credibility, what it says might be true... But i will admit it is hard to prove explicitly because I know some Christians cuss using God's name and hating God is pretty broad, but i thought i'd share something that i thought was kinda interesting: never thought too much about cussing until now

That is an interesting point. I hadn't thought of really why many people use the Lord's name in vain, and the many other aspects of the Christian religion. i've never heard anyone every yell as an insult "You can just go to limbo!" Though I guess that's because the person is mad and wants the other person to suffer, and what better place to suffer in than hell?

As for the phrase, "God damn it!" I can see where this might have come up. The person is angry at whatever has happened and wishes for God to smite/damn whatever it, or the situation, might be.

I have no explanation for just saying "Jesus Christ!"/"Jesus!"/"Christ!" when it's used as a "cuss" or "curse." I know why it's said but not any explanation for why many people specifically use Jesus Christ for it. Same goes for the frustrated "God!"

But I do not use the Lord's name in vain because i hate him, don't believe in him, or whatever reason. Because while i may not believe in Him, i do not hate him, though i do dislike the idea of Him because of how problematic it can be.

Also, the bible has a lot of credibility, in certain areas/ways. while I may not actually believe in a world wide flood, a person being turned into a pillar of salt, and various other things, i do believe it teaches very good morals. Plus several of the Ten Commandments have been formed into laws, which does say that the bible had some good ideas. I guess technically none of that is actually credibility. But remember, the bible was written long ago. Nostradamus has had many predictions come true, doesn't mean we will take in account every single prediction he has ever made and take each one as fact for something that positively will happen in the future.

Just one thing in the bible that actually happened in the world doesn't mean it's credible. It could have easily been a coincidence. The same thing goes for very vague parts. I cant think of anything specific in the bible that is very vague, but i would imagine there are at least a few things in there that state somethings have hapened vaguely or predict things will happen vaguely. It's sort of like how fortune cookies work. If it's vague enough it can be applied to a very very wide range of things. 

[kafel]

It's true that only one thing doesn't prove credibility. But there's many things that have been proven (or imply it happened). They found Noah's Ark and water under the mountain on which it was resting. For water to be buried deep in mountains high up is something not normal... And like the David, the character in the Bible, has been implied by evidence found from archaeological digs

[Kamietsu]

It's true that only one thing doesn't prove credibility. But there's many things that have been proven (or imply it happened). They found Noah's Ark and water under the mountain on which it was resting. For water to be buried deep in mountains high up is something not normal... And like the David, the character in the Bible, has been implied by evidence found from archaeological digs

They found the ark? I guess i missed that news. I know they found a piece of wood a top the mountain they believe is the one the ark was on. But i have the strange idea you are talking about something else. The water in high up mountains i guess isn't normal(i don't know much about geography all that much) but i could be just a coincidence like i said. I'd need to look at that more and learn more about geography before i could fully dispute that. And as for the David character, i don't remember that story off the top of my head.

[Avenger]

Atheism is the belief that there is no God. That belief is based on faith, not evidence- so atheism is also a religion.

I realise that this has been refuted already, but I thought I should add:

You're making a definitional mistake and therefore constructing a strawman. Not all atheism makes the positive claim that there is no God. Most atheists do not believe in God's existence because there is no reason to do so.

Do most atheists believe in the big bang? because there's no reason to do that either.

There IS reason. The galaxy groups nearby all show movements like originating from a single point. Background radiation is also hints a centre point.
I myself, don't believe it happened to ALL the universe. It might have been a 'local' event as well.
Recent studies actually strengthen this idea, by hinting at a point outside of the detectable area towards some galaxy groups converge.

So, i think the universe is even bigger than we see, and the big bang is just a perceived event based on this limited perception.
But i'm not a scientist, so there could be other facts I missed while drawing this conclusion.

But i know a few things: if there is a God, it is not a male gendered entity as God knows NO sex
If God created anything, it created this whole universe, and doesn't give a s..t what happens right here.
There are gazillions of other places where intelligent life developed, is, or will develop in the future.

Actually, i wish there is a God closer to our lives, it would enable a lot of 'supernatural possibilities'.
But I think anyone who perceived it just got one more gene in some brain defining area. (I'm not calling they are nuts, but nutters got those too, just even more).

[Slin]

I think people belive God to blame someone for their lifes. If nothing is going well, most people say "God wanted it to be that way." After all, there's no good argument to say that he realy exists... I mean, why are there diseases?
If God realy exists there are 2 possibilities
1- He can't free the world from deseases. Then he's impotent.
2- He don't want to free the world from deseases. Then he's mean and likes to see us sufering and dieing.
None of those posibilities match the God that the Bible discribes or so... Then I don't think that there is a God...

[Avenger]

I don't think the second case is outright denied by the Bible.
According to the Bible God is very vengeful, people just don't 'dare' to say that

[sillyking14]

1- He can't free the world from deseases. Then he's impotent.
2- He don't want to free the world from deseases. Then he's mean and likes to see us sufering and dieing.

the first "possiblility" isn't worth responding too. but as for the second. you are trying to judge god according to how humans would act. after all, there are clear examples of god doing something that brought himself great pain but that were better for the human race over all. one major example of that is jesus. as the bible describes it he sent "his son" into the world to literally die. and it wasn't an easy death like by beheading or anything like that. he literally suffocated. very painful. so just because he chooses to not completely eliminate disease does not mean that he enjoys watching people die.

[Demagog]

I was just wondering, why is it that when people cuss, they use god' name and stuff like jesus, hell, christ, and damn. (BTW if you didn't notice: all have to do with Christianity and its ideas of hell, damnation, and heaven) Why not anything else? I think this somehow relates to the idea of God's existence. In the Bible (if you read it) it states that the world hates Christians and God. From all the everyday and abundant cussing that involves God, i think that it might show this verse (i forgot where it's stated, can someone show me where). Seems to me that the world does hate God. And if so, this shows that the Bible has at least some credibility. Now if you agree that the cussing shows that the world hates God but question what it proves, keep in mind that the Bible, whether you believe is true or not, was written many years before our current age so if it talks about something that happened many centuries later, which is present, it might have credibility, what it says might be true... But i will admit it is hard to prove explicitly because I know some Christians cuss using God's name and hating God is pretty broad, but i thought i'd share something that i thought was kinda interesting: never thought too much about cussing until now

This is easy. You live in a society in which Christianity is the most practiced religion. If you lived in India, you'd hear other curses. They may say (in their language) something to the effect of "god damn it," but they would be referring to a completely different God.

I'm noticing everyone is focusing on Christianity, which is not the point of this thread. This thread is asking if ANY god exists.

[Avenger]

1- He can't free the world from deseases. Then he's impotent.
2- He don't want to free the world from deseases. Then he's mean and likes to see us sufering and dieing.

the first "possiblility" isn't worth responding too. but as for the second. you are trying to judge god according to how humans would act. after all, there are clear examples of god doing something that brought himself great pain but that were better for the human race over all. one major example of that is jesus. as the bible describes it he sent "his son" into the world to literally die. and it wasn't an easy death like by beheading or anything like that. he literally suffocated. very painful. so just because he chooses to not completely eliminate disease does not mean that he enjoys watching people die.

Many more people died like Jesus, or even more cruelly. He just got a better marketing.

[Essence]

I'm noticing everyone is focusing on Christianity, which is not the point of this thread. This thread is asking if ANY god exists.

It's trivially easy to logically prove that a variety of gods can exist (http://www.niftymessageboard.com/viewtopic.php?p=121961&sid=0bb80ae0b17639e2bba906b047061b39), but it is equally impossible to prove that any particular god DOES exist.  So I have to assume that we've focused on the Christian God simply because He's the one everyone is most familiar with. 

[sillyking14]

Many more people died like Jesus, or even more cruelly. He just got a better marketing.

that isn't the point. the point is that god sent his son knowing how much it would hurt him for his son to die. and again, just because god allows bad people die, doesn't mean he enjoys it. "he is unwilling that any should perish" (somewhere in the bible, emphasis added.)