Do good muslims ascend to heaven?

[Artois]

That got your attention!

Do good Muslims (for example) who believe passionately in the word of Allah, yet reject Christ as their saviour ascend to heaven?

Another example would be the ancient tribes of people, before the word of Christ, before the Hebrew Lord, who were devout to their earth, sun & other Gods, yet did not have the chance to pray to the as yet unknown god of Christianity.  Are they all in hell, or waiting in some sort of limbo, to be given the chance of Christian salvation?

[Wardead]

Muslims DO believe in Christ, but not as a son of God. His name was Isa and he will return during the Last days of the End of the World and unite the Muslims.  And Muhammad (PBUH) is the one who created "Islam", but the same message was given to people from the beginning to the end. Since Adam to Muhammad, the message has been preached by Prophets. Now it is our task to do so. Those tribes before will go to Heaven if they followed the Prophets' words.

[Artois]

Thanks Wardead.  Yes, Jesus was a prophet and recognised as so by Islam amongst others, however, there are many differences between Islam & Christianity, one tenet of which is that to ascend to heaven you must accept Christ as your Lord and saviour.  Now this seems harsh on good, devout practicising Muslims, who accept Jesus a prophet but reject him as the Lord and saviour.  Do you see?

What things do Christians fail to do, that a muslim is required to do to ascend to heaven, Wardead?

[Wardead]

A true Christian is nothing different than a true Muslim, actually. A true Christian will NOT believe Jesus was the son of God or such. But you rarely see true Christians. The Bible, Torah and the Quran were all the three books of God. 2 got corrupted by people but the third is protected by God, since it is the Last book. What Christians fail to do to ascend to Heaven? Anything that is not permitted in Islam, or in the "true" books, which we will never find. Now, being a Muslim doesn't mean you go to Heaven directly, unlike Christianity and Judaism. You have to earn Heaven. Good Muslims will go, like Good Christians and Jews. But not pagan or polytheistic religion followers.

[Artois]

Q. Why would a true Christian not believe that Christ is the son of God?

Q. Where did you learn that both the bible & torah were corrupted by man?

Q. Is it possible that the Quran was also corrupted by man?

Q.  What happened to all the pagan/polytheistic followers of Gods who prayed before the true God showed himself to man, and thus had no chance of following the true faith?

[Wardead]

I will answer you tomorrow, but:

Q. Why would a true Christian believe that Christ is the son of God?

Q. Where did you learn that both the bible & torah were corrupted by man? A. Hadiths and the Qur'an.

Q. Is it not possible that the Quran was also corrupted by man?

Q.  What happened to all the pagan/polytheistic followers of Gods who prayed before the true God showed himself to man, and thus had no chance of following the true faith? A. Please clarify your question.

[Artois]

I will answer you tomorrow, but:

Q. Why would a true Christian believe that Christ is the son of God?
Because that is in the teachings of the bible/christian faith.

Q. Where did you learn that both the bible & torah were corrupted by man? A. Hadiths and the Qur'an.  What is Hadiths?

Q. Is it not possible that the Quran was also corrupted by man?
After all the teachings come from the same source material and were written by man.

Q.  What happened to all the pagan/polytheistic followers of Gods who prayed before the true God showed himself to man, and thus had no chance of following the true faith? A. Please clarify your question.
A man is born, tens of thousands of years before God/Allah appeared.  He worships the pagan moon man, and the tree god, the virgin god of fertility and the sun god.  He worships them all faithfully as these are the only Gods he knows in his experience.  Why should he go to hell?

[PuppyChow]

According to the Christian faith, no. According to the Islamic faith, yes. So overall, yes.

As I've explained in numerous other posts, to get into heaven (according to Christian belief), you need to accept Jesus Christ as the savior or your sins aren't forgiven and therefore you don't go to heaven.

That said, Muslims believe in a different way of accessing heaven. Their way of accessing heaven works just as well, since it's all the same God. Following Judaic beliefs could get you into heaven, too.

[Artois]

That said, Muslims believe in a different way of accessing heaven. Their way of accessing heaven works just as well, since it's all the same God. Following Judaic beliefs could get you into heaven, too.

Are you sure?  Surely, to a Muslim, a Christian/Jew is an infidel, and therefore not worthy of heaven?

If Jews & Muslims can ascend without taking Christ as their saviour, why do Christians need bother with this?

[Wardead]

Ahem...Christianity...different religion with very similarities. Hence the "Christ" in Christianity, duh. 

Jews are kind of, kind of, hated in Islam. A Christian and Jew can access Heaven, by believing in One God.




(Artois, you seem more monotheistic than before)

[Artois]

(Artois, you seem more monotheistic than before)

I've been doing my research, monotheistic as co-opted by the semites when they encountered the Persians/zoroastrian monotheistic beliefs... noticeable in that the one god theme doesn't start in the bible until the Persians invaded Israel(?) and brought the notion of one god with them.  Previous to that, the semites used a mixture of religions/myths to build there own religious identity, especially the Egyptian myths (as the Israelites were held captive by Egypt for many, many years and picked up a lot of mythology that many consider the basis for a lot of the OT.  However, there is a thought that the Egyptian fables were in turn influenced by the Sumerians... and later on these semetic fables went onto influence not only Christianity, but the tales/fables/myths can be traced into the Koran.)

[Wardead]

Well they have been traced in the Qur'an. Some of them were the people who did not heed the warnings of the Prophets and continued to sin, thus sharing the same fate. Others are the Prophets' lives, which happened to take place in many ares, including Eyptian and Sumerian Empires etc. Zoroaster used to be the disciple of the Prophet Zakaria (or in Christian form, Jeremiah). He soon left the Prophet and defrauded him. The Prophet in return prayed to Allah to give him punishment now. He soon created a religion to worship fire and such. For Pete's sakes, FIRE? The religion became a mix of the old Persian culture and from the Aryans (Hindu belief). An apostle of a Prophet into a creator of a religion that is polytheistic.