Christian Viewpoint 1: Is Everyone Savable?

[BluePriest]

Using your logic Heaven is empty and NO ONE has ever been saved because the list of rules presented in your silly bible is impossible to follow...i was abeliever and i became a non believer after reading the bible....the bible says pray for what you want...i did...i didnt get it there fore christ is a LIAR and FLASE MESSIAH perhaps it is you christ that needs saving if hes not too busy being tortured to death by his dad. the belief that a cosmic jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he cna remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree is INSANE read it again because this is what you actually believe

If you cite your evidence for these things you claim, it would help out greatly. I want to debate, but I cant debate unless I know what it is im debating.

[KyuubisSlave]

Christian Viewpoints is for talking about things from a Christian perspective. Everyone I make, is talking about 1 specific thing. This topic, from a Christians viewpoint, is it possible to reach the point of no return, where that person can't be saved anymore?
What do you think?
(please only post comments that relate to the conversation, if you want to be an atheist, then thats fine, you can still chime in, however, please, no comments like "it doesn't matter because God doesn't exist." This is Christian viewpoint, and thus, it is about IF he does exist.)
My short answer, yes, everyone is savable and there is NO point of no return. Feel free to speak up if you think that it is different though.

Hmm, If there is a God, a heaven, and a hell; I would have to say there is no point of no return. God is supposed to be perfect, therefor forgiving.... However; let me ask you something. Many tribal people do not worship god, but  worship other things such as the rivers that bring them fresh water and an abundant source of food, and the forest which provides them shelter and resources. Do these people, even if they are perfectly kind and clear of moral wrongs go to hell because they don't believe in what you call god?

[BluePriest]

Christian Viewpoints is for talking about things from a Christian perspective. Everyone I make, is talking about 1 specific thing. This topic, from a Christians viewpoint, is it possible to reach the point of no return, where that person can't be saved anymore?
What do you think?
(please only post comments that relate to the conversation, if you want to be an atheist, then thats fine, you can still chime in, however, please, no comments like "it doesn't matter because God doesn't exist." This is Christian viewpoint, and thus, it is about IF he does exist.)
My short answer, yes, everyone is savable and there is NO point of no return. Feel free to speak up if you think that it is different though.

Hmm, If there is a God, a heaven, and a hell; I would have to say there is no point of no return. God is supposed to be perfect, therefor forgiving.... However; let me ask you something. Many tribal people do not worship god, but  worship other things such as the rivers that bring them fresh water and an abundant source of food, and the forest which provides them shelter and resources. Do these people, even if they are perfectly kind and clear of moral wrongs go to hell because they don't believe in what you call god?

Why do you think there are so many missionaries to all the third world countries?

[KyuubisSlave]

Christian Viewpoints is for talking about things from a Christian perspective. Everyone I make, is talking about 1 specific thing. This topic, from a Christians viewpoint, is it possible to reach the point of no return, where that person can't be saved anymore?
What do you think?
(please only post comments that relate to the conversation, if you want to be an atheist, then thats fine, you can still chime in, however, please, no comments like "it doesn't matter because God doesn't exist." This is Christian viewpoint, and thus, it is about IF he does exist.)
My short answer, yes, everyone is savable and there is NO point of no return. Feel free to speak up if you think that it is different though.

Hmm, If there is a God, a heaven, and a hell; I would have to say there is no point of no return. God is supposed to be perfect, therefor forgiving.... However; let me ask you something. Many tribal people do not worship god, but  worship other things such as the rivers that bring them fresh water and an abundant source of food, and the forest which provides them shelter and resources. Do these people, even if they are perfectly kind and clear of moral wrongs go to hell because they don't believe in what you call god?

Why do you think there are so many missionaries to all the third world countries?

So this is conformation that they will go to hell then? I suppose this is where our opinions drastically differ. Your obviously someone who believes in the commandment that thou shall not worship another god, however I must point out to you that this commandment is vain and therefor very sinful "for god to make" and was most likely added to scare people to sticking with or joining a religion. After all what kind of all forgiving, benevolent, and perfect god would send perfectly good people to hell because they worship a river instead of him; I'll tell you it's not the kind of god I would ever want to know....

[BluePriest]

So this is conformation that they will go to hell then? I suppose this is where our opinions drastically differ. Your obviously someone who believes in the commandment that thou shall not worship another god, however I must point out to you that this commandment is vain and therefor very sinful "for god to make" and was most likely added to scare people to sticking with or joining a religion. After all what kind of all forgiving, benevolent, and perfect god would send perfectly good people to hell because they worship a river instead of him; I'll tell you it's not the kind of god I would ever want to know....

 God allows everyone the opportunity, its all about choices, which as we all know,

The Problem is Choice

Its all about the opportunity, its not cruel if you have the chance. Everyone has the chance. And if everyone followed that commandment, then there wouldnt be the problem you speak of in the first place.

[KyuubisSlave]

So this is conformation that they will go to hell then? I suppose this is where our opinions drastically differ. Your obviously someone who believes in the commandment that thou shall not worship another god, however I must point out to you that this commandment is vain and therefor very sinful "for god to make" and was most likely added to scare people to sticking with or joining a religion. After all what kind of all forgiving, benevolent, and perfect god would send perfectly good people to hell because they worship a river instead of him; I'll tell you it's not the kind of god I would ever want to know....

 God allows everyone the opportunity, its all about choices, which as we all know,

The Problem is Choice

Its all about the opportunity, its not cruel if you have the chance. Everyone has the chance. And if everyone followed that commandment, then there wouldnt be the problem you speak of in the first place.

So your saying that because these people, who have worshiped their river (which is a physical, tangible thing) should stop worshiping it because some random person comes to them and tells them if they don't stop worshiping their river and start worshiping a improvable intangible man ? And if they don't they burn in hell forever. How is this not cruel???? And how is it choice ? Do this or you go to hell? seems like a threat to me....

not to mention you failed to address how sinful that commandment is anyways? Why the hell would god care if you were worshiping a river if your a good person, unless he is vain and prideful.

[BluePriest]

not to mention you failed to address how sinful that commandment is anyways? Why the hell would god care if you were worshiping a river if your a good person, unless he is vain and prideful.

That comment itself is a paradox. You are saying something that is a sin based on something that you declare isnt true.

[KyuubisSlave]

not to mention you failed to address how sinful that commandment is anyways? Why the hell would god care if you were worshiping a river if your a good person, unless he is vain and prideful.

That comment itself is a paradox. You are saying something that is a sin based on something that you declare isnt true.

what pray-tell did I declare untrue?

[BluePriest]

not to mention you failed to address how sinful that commandment is anyways? Why the hell would god care if you were worshiping a river if your a good person, unless he is vain and prideful.

That comment itself is a paradox. You are saying something that is a sin based on something that you declare isnt true.

what pray-tell did I declare untrue?

You said it is a sin, yet you make it clear you dont believe in the Christian belief, so how is it a sin?

[KyuubisSlave]

not to mention you failed to address how sinful that commandment is anyways? Why the hell would god care if you were worshiping a river if your a good person, unless he is vain and prideful.

That comment itself is a paradox. You are saying something that is a sin based on something that you declare isnt true.

what pray-tell did I declare untrue?

You said it is a sin, yet you make it clear you dont believe in the Christian belief, so how is it a sin?

moot point, is this not a topic to be taken from a christian perspective. Even from a Christian perspective vanity is sinful, as it is a form of pride (The worst of the 7 deadly sins) and there is no reason for that commandment other than A) God is vain and a sinner or B) several hundred years ago when churches were the major ruling body some greedy and corrupt priest made that a commandment to scare people into joining and scare people out of leaving.

Also you failed to address a few points of my posts, opting for the one that you could easiest try to explain away.

So your saying that because these people, who have worshiped their river (which is a physical, tangible thing) should stop worshiping it because some random person comes to them and tells them if they don't stop worshiping their river and start worshiping a improvable intangible man ? And if they don't they burn in hell forever. How is this not cruel?? And how is it choice ? Do this or you go to hell? seems like a threat to me....

mainly the bolded part....

[BluePriest]

not to mention you failed to address how sinful that commandment is anyways? Why the hell would god care if you were worshiping a river if your a good person, unless he is vain and prideful.

That comment itself is a paradox. You are saying something that is a sin based on something that you declare isnt true.

what pray-tell did I declare untrue?

You said it is a sin, yet you make it clear you dont believe in the Christian belief, so how is it a sin?

moot point, is this not a topic to be taken from a christian perspective. Even from a Christian perspective vanity is sinful, as it is a form of pride (The worst of the 7 deadly sins) and there is no reason for that commandment other than A) God is vain and a sinner or B) several hundred years ago when churches were the major ruling body some greedy and corrupt priest made that a commandment to scare people into joining and scare people out of leaving.

Also you failed to address a few points of my posts, opting for the one that you could easiest try to explain away.

So your saying that because these people, who have worshiped their river (which is a physical, tangible thing) should stop worshiping it because some random person comes to them and tells them if they don't stop worshiping their river and start worshiping a improvable intangible man ? And if they don't they burn in hell forever. How is this not cruel?? And how is it choice ? Do this or you go to hell? seems like a threat to me....

mainly the bolded part....

Ok, as to the first part of the quote pyramid, how is it a sin then. You said its a sin, so how is it?

As to the second part, im quoting something I posted in another topic.

Mark 3
23 So He called them to Himself and said to them in parables: “How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan has risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but has an end.

There comes a certain point where you have to make your choice, otherwise you will just divide the kingdom of heaven.. You may call it harsh, Gods punishment. But the way I see it, it is on mine and every christians hand for not being a better example. That is why Im here because know what true love for God is, and that punishment is in the back of my mind, reminding me what will happen to my friends, my family, and my loved ones if I dont try something, anything. Im here because there is a purpose and a reason for it. I have to show Gods love everywhere I can, because of a care for the world. Im not in it to advance some type of theological government. The very idea is absurd, the choice is yours to make, not governments. Im not here for some type of self gain. I have no reason to stand here and talk to people I dont even know and say things like this. I could be FG farming, or anything like that. This is just one board out of the entire internet, and it seems insignificant to try to stand up in this one area, which has been branded predominantly atheists to try to make  a point for God. But thats what Im doing, because you mention Hell as if its some secret of the Christian world., when in reality, it really should be on the forefront of a lot of Christians minds because of the very reason you stated.  There should be a lot more here assisting instead of just playing religion all day which is just shameful. 

And I dont even like saying that, because at the same time, hell isnt what christians are suppose to be about. They are suppose to be showing a genuine love for God, and that reason shouldnt be Hell, it should be because of an understanding of who he is, and what he has done for us. When talking to a non-christian, I dont even like mentioning Hell because that should not be the reason for changing. There is only one good reason and that is out of love for God. 

So yes, it is a harsh sentence. Why do you think Im here?

[KyuubisSlave]

not to mention you failed to address how sinful that commandment is anyways? Why the hell would god care if you were worshiping a river if your a good person, unless he is vain and prideful.

That comment itself is a paradox. You are saying something that is a sin based on something that you declare isnt true.

what pray-tell did I declare untrue?

You said it is a sin, yet you make it clear you dont believe in the Christian belief, so how is it a sin?

moot point, is this not a topic to be taken from a christian perspective. Even from a Christian perspective vanity is sinful, as it is a form of pride (The worst of the 7 deadly sins) and there is no reason for that commandment other than A) God is vain and a sinner or B) several hundred years ago when churches were the major ruling body some greedy and corrupt priest made that a commandment to scare people into joining and scare people out of leaving.

Also you failed to address a few points of my posts, opting for the one that you could easiest try to explain away.

So your saying that because these people, who have worshiped their river (which is a physical, tangible thing) should stop worshiping it because some random person comes to them and tells them if they don't stop worshiping their river and start worshiping a improvable intangible man ? And if they don't they burn in hell forever. How is this not cruel?? And how is it choice ? Do this or you go to hell? seems like a threat to me....

mainly the bolded part....

Ok, as to the first part of the quote pyramid, how is it a sin then. You said its a sin, so how is it?

As to the second part, im quoting something I posted in another topic.

Mark 3
23 So He called them to Himself and said to them in parables: “How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan has risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but has an end.

There comes a certain point where you have to make your choice, otherwise you will just divide the kingdom of heaven.. You may call it harsh, Gods punishment. But the way I see it, it is on mine and every christians hand for not being a better example. That is why Im here because know what true love for God is, and that punishment is in the back of my mind, reminding me what will happen to my friends, my family, and my loved ones if I dont try something, anything. Im here because there is a purpose and a reason for it. I have to show Gods love everywhere I can, because of a care for the world. Im not in it to advance some type of theological government. The very idea is absurd, the choice is yours to make, not governments. Im not here for some type of self gain. I have no reason to stand here and talk to people I dont even know and say things like this. I could be FG farming, or anything like that. This is just one board out of the entire internet, and it seems insignificant to try to stand up in this one area, which has been branded predominantly atheists to try to make  a point for God. But thats what Im doing, because you mention Hell as if its some secret of the Christian world., when in reality, it really should be on the forefront of a lot of Christians minds because of the very reason you stated.  There should be a lot more here assisting instead of just playing religion all day which is just shameful. 

And I dont even like saying that, because at the same time, hell isnt what christians are suppose to be about. They are suppose to be showing a genuine love for God, and that reason shouldnt be Hell, it should be because of an understanding of who he is, and what he has done for us. When talking to a non-christian, I dont even like mentioning Hell because that should not be the reason for changing. There is only one good reason and that is out of love for God. 

So yes, it is a harsh sentence. Why do you think Im here?

LMFAO! how is it a sin? Everything about it is sinful.  Tell me , why would God damn a person to eternal suffering just because he is not worshiping him. The only logical reason would be envy, vanity, and pride. all three of which are sins according to the christian religion.

As to your quote. It does not suitably answer my question.