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Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1054432#msg1054432
« on: March 26, 2013, 08:34:12 pm »
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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1054438#msg1054438
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2013, 08:52:43 pm »
I have read somewhere about the birthday of Jesus, which is widely "thought" (or known) to be at December, 25. I do recall reading somewhere, however, that nowhere in the bible had it been stated in which day was Jesus born, which means there are other 364 days that he could have been born.

Is the above true or is it hinted/stated at least somewhere about his birthday?

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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1054442#msg1054442
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2013, 09:14:38 pm »
I have read somewhere about the birthday of Jesus, which is widely "thought" (or known) to be at December, 25. I do recall reading somewhere, however, that nowhere in the bible had it been stated in which day was Jesus born, which means there are other 364 days that he could have been born.

Is the above true or is it hinted/stated at least somewhere about his birthday?

There are very few people that would still argue that Jesus was born on December 25th. Where did that date come from?
The two places I found are:

'Sol Invictus'
The 'Birthday of the Invincible Sun' on December 25th.

Another one is that some believed that people only lived in full years (no fractions). Since Jesus died ~March 25th (Nisan 14 using the calendar of those days), go back 9 months and Jesus was conceived on December 25th.


The Bible, however, gives no specific day of the year Jesus when was born. It does say that the shepherds were outside tending to their sheep during the night when Jesus was born, so it most likely wasn't during the winter.

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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1054496#msg1054496
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2013, 01:35:45 am »
Posting to keep track of this topic. May contribute on the meaning of certain passages if it is deemed necessary. Hope that's ok, Maj.
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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1054521#msg1054521
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2013, 02:57:26 am »
Not sure if this is the kind of question we can ask, but I won't know if I don't try :D:

If God is all-loving, why does he send people who don't believe in Him to hell? Does He still love them too?
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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1054522#msg1054522
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2013, 03:00:23 am »
Keeping track.  Maybe might be able to fill in any holes...

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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1054564#msg1054564
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2013, 04:30:34 am »
I have read somewhere about the birthday of Jesus, which is widely "thought" (or known) to be at December, 25. I do recall reading somewhere, however, that nowhere in the bible had it been stated in which day was Jesus born, which means there are other 364 days that he could have been born.

Is the above true or is it hinted/stated at least somewhere about his birthday?

I know this one!

It is not known exactly when he was born. It is guessed that he was born on September 11th 4 B.C. because there was something to do with Jupiter and Saturn or something that made a very bright light in the sky on the day. However, only the part about the bright 'star' (which could have been a planet) was mentioned in the Bible - the date has been guessed recently.

The 25st was chosen to celebrate it for possible reasons that majofa has already said. But if scientists are right about the star, then we know that in the 1600s they were average at guessing dates.
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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1054629#msg1054629
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2013, 07:15:24 am »
I have read somewhere about the birthday of Jesus, which is widely "thought" (or known) to be at December, 25. I do recall reading somewhere, however, that nowhere in the bible had it been stated in which day was Jesus born, which means there are other 364 days that he could have been born.

Is the above true or is it hinted/stated at least somewhere about his birthday?

I know this one!

It is not known exactly when he was born. It is guessed that he was born on September 11th 4 B.C. because there was something to do with Jupiter and Saturn or something that made a very bright light in the sky on the day. However, only the part about the bright 'star' (which could have been a planet) was mentioned in the Bible - the date has been guessed recently.

The 25st was chosen to celebrate it for possible reasons that majofa has already said. But if scientists are right about the star, then we know that in the 1600s they were average at guessing dates.

Actually, based on Registration Edicts: Jesus was born in the fall of 2 B.C.E.

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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1054630#msg1054630
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2013, 07:21:27 am »
Not sure if this is the kind of question we can ask, but I won't know if I don't try :D:

If God is all-loving, why does he send people who don't believe in Him to hell? Does He still love them too?

Your question starts with an assumption... Are you stating that God loves everyone and everything they do?

Also, rewrite your question using Sheol/Hades or Gehenna as those are not the same thing and shouldn't both be translated as 'hell'.

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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1054654#msg1054654
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2013, 12:27:12 pm »
Not sure if this is the kind of question we can ask, but I won't know if I don't try :D:

If God is all-loving, why does he send people who don't believe in Him to hell? Does He still love them too?

No, God didn't force anyone to accept his love, let's based this discussion on this and i shall begin. It's up to us to either accept Him or not, if we have rejected Him in the first place, that means we are choosing the other way, assuming that you are saying heaven and hell, 2 different routes to be taken. While i'm not saying hell is the route chosen, i just want to clarify that i deduct this based on logic.
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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1054679#msg1054679
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2013, 03:15:41 pm »
Why are other people answering questions?

Disregard what neuroleptics posted above.
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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1054963#msg1054963
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2013, 03:42:18 pm »
Not sure if this is the kind of question we can ask, but I won't know if I don't try :D:

If God is all-loving, why does he send people who don't believe in Him to hell? Does He still love them too?

Your question starts with an assumption... Are you stating that God loves everyone and everything they do?

Also, rewrite your question using Sheol/Hades or Gehenna as those are not the same thing and shouldn't both be translated as 'hell'.
Still waiting for your clarification.

 

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