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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1055036#msg1055036
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2013, 10:42:46 pm »
Not sure if this is the kind of question we can ask, but I won't know if I don't try :D:

If God is all-loving, why does he send people who don't believe in Him to hell? Does He still love them too?

Your question starts with an assumption... Are you stating that God loves everyone and everything they do?

Also, rewrite your question using Sheol/Hades or Gehenna as those are not the same thing and shouldn't both be translated as 'hell'.
My assumption derives from a common statement that God loves everyone. Using a Google Search, I can find many others who assume the same thing. If this assumption is incorrect to your knowledge, I won't press the question as it would no longer make sense.

Rewritten: If God loves everyone, why does he send people who don't believe in Him to Sheol? Sending someone to eternal torture seems contradictory to loving them.
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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1055067#msg1055067
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2013, 12:45:31 am »
Disregard what neuroleptics posted above.

Thanks. Yup, if anyone ask why i'm excluded from being said as answering, that's because i wasn't answering and i was merely asking back using logic, that will most probably like a parable.

Rewritten: If God loves everyone, why does he send people who don't believe in Him to Sheol? Sending someone to eternal torture seems contradictory to loving them.
I'm curious of what majofa will answer to this question.

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adding this: why was there lake of fire, where it's reviewed that worms don't die? why can't just cut that out of the equation?
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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1056110#msg1056110
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2013, 03:30:33 pm »
Rewritten: If God loves everyone, why does he send people who don't believe in Him to Sheol? Sending someone to eternal torture seems contradictory to loving them.

There are things in the Bible that God hates, correct? So, in that way, he can't be 'all-loving'.
I won't go into this portion of the question too much, but God does punish people for disobeying his commandments. Whether or not He has a right to do this, is another question for another time.

(There is a lot of bias on the internet on these two points, so it took a long time to sift through it all.)

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Sheol/Hades are the same thing but translated into different languages. (she'ohl' is Hebrew, hai'des is Greek)

When the Bible refers to a burial place or a mass burial place, it uses different words.
Also, it mentions that Sheol is spacious, continuously hungry, and is never satisfied.
The Bible also speaks of a resurrection, so those 'asleep' in death await in Sheol/Hades for that.
Jesus mentioned that when Lazarus was dead, he was sleeping, meaning two things: He wasn't aware of anything around him and that eventually he would wake up.

So in conclusion about Sheol/Hades, it's the 'common grave' of mankind, not a literal place. There's no eternal torture here, since you can't torture someone who's 'unconcious'.

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Gehenna is a completely different thing.

Back in Israel, it was essentially a garbage dump, where fire burned garbage, dead animals, and DEAD humans who were not fitting of a burial.

There is no mention in the Bible of living people being thrown into the literal Gehenna.

The Bible refers to Gehenna also as the 'lake of fire, which means the second death'.

So if Sheol/Hades is the 'first death' where a person awaits resurrection, then what would the second death mean?
What would happen to a body if it were thrown into a literal lake of fire? There would be no more body.
(Illustration: If someone had suffocated, you could revive them with CPR. Could you do so if you threw their dead body into a fire? Not likely.)
So it is the same with Gehenna. It's the second death, meaning one with no hope of being resurrected.

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So in short:

Sheol/Hades is the figurative common grave of mankind, where those awaiting a resurrection are.

Gehenna is figuratively the everlasting destruction (not torture) of those who are not deserving of a resurrection.

There is no eternal torture.

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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1056135#msg1056135
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2013, 05:03:02 pm »
Wow. That makes a lot more sense.
The truly wicked would have their bodies burned after death because they were considered sufficiently wicked. Thus being considered sufficiently wicked would cause you to be unable to rise after death with the other dead.
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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1056137#msg1056137
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2013, 05:08:21 pm »
Does the bible ever condenm (Is that the word? Let's say "Considers wrong") the act of Drinking Alcohol?

If the answer to the above is yes, and even if it is no, why was  one of the "Miracles" to turn water into wine?

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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1056141#msg1056141
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2013, 05:10:51 pm »
Does the bible ever condenm (Is that the word? Let's say "Considers wrong") the act of Drinking Alcohol?

If the answer to the above is yes, and even if it is no, why was  one of the "Miracles" to turn water into wine?
The Bible does NOT condemn the drinking of alcohol, whether it be beer or wine.
Jesus' first miracle was the turning of water into wine.

The Bible DOES condemn the over-drinking of alcohol (drunkeness). As with many other things, moderation is the key reasoning point.

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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1056400#msg1056400
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2013, 03:00:00 pm »
Just to add:

Your questions don't have to be 'highly-debated topics' ... they can be about prophecy, history, or just something you always wondered about.

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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1057839#msg1057839
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2013, 06:02:09 am »
Does the bible ever condenm (Is that the word? Let's say "Considers wrong") the act of Drinking Alcohol?

If the answer to the above is yes, and even if it is no, why was  one of the "Miracles" to turn water into wine?

Since this part was ignored, Ill chime in. The bible refers to it as the "Good Wine" which in those days meant it was not fermented because it did not mess with the mind, and therefor non alcoholic.

Does the bible ever condenm (Is that the word? Let's say "Considers wrong") the act of Drinking Alcohol?

If the answer to the above is yes, and even if it is no, why was  one of the "Miracles" to turn water into wine?
The Bible does NOT condemn the drinking of alcohol, whether it be beer or wine.
Jesus' first miracle was the turning of water into wine.

The Bible DOES condemn the over-drinking of alcohol (drunkeness). As with many other things, moderation is the key reasoning point.

The bible does prohibit drinking of wine by certain authority figures in the church, and tells others in certain positions to only have small amounts.
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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1057841#msg1057841
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2013, 06:05:18 am »
Does the bible ever condenm (Is that the word? Let's say "Considers wrong") the act of Drinking Alcohol?

If the answer to the above is yes, and even if it is no, why was  one of the "Miracles" to turn water into wine?

Since this part was ignored, Ill chime in. The bible refers to it as the "Good Wine" which in those days meant it was not fermented because it did not mess with the mind, and therefor non alcoholic.

Does the bible ever condenm (Is that the word? Let's say "Considers wrong") the act of Drinking Alcohol?

If the answer to the above is yes, and even if it is no, why was  one of the "Miracles" to turn water into wine?
The Bible does NOT condemn the drinking of alcohol, whether it be beer or wine.
Jesus' first miracle was the turning of water into wine.

The Bible DOES condemn the over-drinking of alcohol (drunkeness). As with many other things, moderation is the key reasoning point.

The bible does prohibit drinking of wine by certain authority figures in the church, and tells others in certain positions to only have small amounts.
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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1057843#msg1057843
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2013, 06:10:22 am »
? How is it incorrect?
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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2013, 06:22:46 am »
? How is it incorrect?
Church tradition is not the same as Bible truth.

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Re: Bible Q & A https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48028.msg1057940#msg1057940
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2013, 02:13:55 pm »
? How is it incorrect?
Church tradition is not the same as Bible truth.

What part are you referring to though.
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