are you creationist or evolutionist?

[OldTrees]

If evolution exist(which it does to some degrees) the REAL question for a spiritual person is if it is a process that affects the soul too.

BTW I believe in unicorns, just take a horse splice some genes and add a horn, I bet you in 20 years will have them!

Evolution does not affect individuals. It works on the scale of populations over generations.

Also unless Souls reproduce and have heritable traits, evolution will not occur.

[BluePriest]

Not entirely true. I tested my faith through doubts, and I ended up atheist. And don't throw that crap of 'you were never a TRUE christian', because that kind of stuff just doesn't make any sense.

I never did throw that crap out. You are. I just said if you refuse to test god, you dont have 100% faith, not that you were never a true christian. ..

[Artois]

My God tests faith with Dinosaur fossils (and Sarah Palin)...

[0gr0]

Remember, things can have a "not begining" . For example:
 Stewie and Brian travel back in time using Stewie's time machine. They are warped outside the space-time continuum, before the Big Bang. To return home, Stewie overloads the return pad and they are boosted back into the space-time continuum by an explosion. Stewie later studies the radiation footprints of the Big Bang and the explosion of his return pad. He discovers that they match, and he concludes that he is actually the creator of the universe. He explains his theory to Brian, who replies with "But Stewie, the universe created you. How could you have created the universe?" Stewie explains that it is a temporal causality loop, which is an example of a predestination paradox.

[maverixk]

Remember, things can have a "not begining" . For example:
 Stewie and Brian travel back in time using Stewie's time machine. They are warped outside the space-time continuum, before the Big Bang. To return home, Stewie overloads the return pad and they are boosted back into the space-time continuum by an explosion. Stewie later studies the radiation footprints of the Big Bang and the explosion of his return pad. He discovers that they match, and he concludes that he is actually the creator of the universe. He explains his theory to Brian, who replies with "But Stewie, the universe created you. How could you have created the universe?" Stewie explains that it is a temporal causality loop, which is an example of a predestination paradox.

But that theory is logically impossible since Stewie had to be created in order to be the creator. There can't be a loop unless it starts somewhere. Just like in a song where one person starts , then another, then another and they all keep repeating the song, it still had a beginning.

[Pineapple]

Remember, things can have a "not begining" . For example:
 Stewie and Brian travel back in time using Stewie's time machine. They are warped outside the space-time continuum, before the Big Bang. To return home, Stewie overloads the return pad and they are boosted back into the space-time continuum by an explosion. Stewie later studies the radiation footprints of the Big Bang and the explosion of his return pad. He discovers that they match, and he concludes that he is actually the creator of the universe. He explains his theory to Brian, who replies with "But Stewie, the universe created you. How could you have created the universe?" Stewie explains that it is a temporal causality loop, which is an example of a predestination paradox.

But that theory is logically impossible since Stewie had to be created in order to be the creator. There can't be a loop unless it starts somewhere. Just like in a song where one person starts , then another, then another and they all keep repeating the song, it still had a beginning.

We are not talking about Canons or Rounds, we're talking about a cycle. You cannot disprove this theory by saying that "loops cannot be created", because that is the point, that it cannot be created. There is no evidence that conclusively disproves the existence of an infinite loop (one with no beginning). Think about which came first: the chicken or the egg?

[maverixk]

Remember, things can have a "not begining" . For example:
 Stewie and Brian travel back in time using Stewie's time machine. They are warped outside the space-time continuum, before the Big Bang. To return home, Stewie overloads the return pad and they are boosted back into the space-time continuum by an explosion. Stewie later studies the radiation footprints of the Big Bang and the explosion of his return pad. He discovers that they match, and he concludes that he is actually the creator of the universe. He explains his theory to Brian, who replies with "But Stewie, the universe created you. How could you have created the universe?" Stewie explains that it is a temporal causality loop, which is an example of a predestination paradox.

But that theory is logically impossible since Stewie had to be created in order to be the creator. There can't be a loop unless it starts somewhere. Just like in a song where one person starts , then another, then another and they all keep repeating the song, it still had a beginning.

We are not talking about Canons or Rounds, we're talking about a cycle. You cannot disprove this theory by saying that "loops cannot be created", because that is the point, that it cannot be created. There is no evidence that conclusively disproves the existence of an infinite loop (one with no beginning). Think about which came first: the chicken or the egg?

Chicken or the egg? With evolution it is clearly the egg. With creationism it may or may not be the chicken. The Stewie thing is like the "Can I go back in time and kill my grandpa?" It cancels itself out because it is not logically possible. If he was uncaused, therefore being able to cause existence, then it is reasonable to conclude that Brian is uncaused too, and everything they used to cause existence as well. If I keep following this train of thought, then I end up with the conclusion that everything is uncaused, therefore making Stewie's theory false, since you can't cause the uncaused.

[Belthus]

Think about which came first: the chicken or the egg?

The egg came first. Much older species than chickens use eggs to reproduce.

[Pineapple]

Think about which came first: the chicken or the egg?

The egg came first. Much older species than chickens use eggs to reproduce.

I thought it was apparent that I meant "egg" as in "chicken egg."

Remember, things can have a "not begining" . For example:
 Stewie and Brian travel back in time using Stewie's time machine. They are warped outside the space-time continuum, before the Big Bang. To return home, Stewie overloads the return pad and they are boosted back into the space-time continuum by an explosion. Stewie later studies the radiation footprints of the Big Bang and the explosion of his return pad. He discovers that they match, and he concludes that he is actually the creator of the universe. He explains his theory to Brian, who replies with "But Stewie, the universe created you. How could you have created the universe?" Stewie explains that it is a temporal causality loop, which is an example of a predestination paradox.

But that theory is logically impossible since Stewie had to be created in order to be the creator. There can't be a loop unless it starts somewhere. Just like in a song where one person starts , then another, then another and they all keep repeating the song, it still had a beginning.

We are not talking about Canons or Rounds, we're talking about a cycle. You cannot disprove this theory by saying that "loops cannot be created", because that is the point, that it cannot be created. There is no evidence that conclusively disproves the existence of an infinite loop (one with no beginning). Think about which came first: the chicken or the egg?

Chicken or the egg? With evolution it is clearly the egg. With creationism it may or may not be the chicken. The Stewie thing is like the "Can I go back in time and kill my grandpa?" It cancels itself out because it is not logically possible. If he was uncaused, therefore being able to cause existence, then it is reasonable to conclude that Brian is uncaused too, and everything they used to cause existence as well. If I keep following this train of thought, then I end up with the conclusion that everything is uncaused, therefore making Stewie's theory false, since you can't cause the uncaused.

Or maybe Stewie just can't kill his grandpa. If we assume that Stewie caused the creation of the universe, then we assume that there is only one time continuum that cannot be changed, although agents (such as Stewie and Brian) can freely, within the laws of the time continuum, move through time using a time machine.

[Belthus]

Think about which came first: the chicken or the egg?

The egg came first. Much older species than chickens use eggs to reproduce.

I thought it was apparent that I meant "egg" as in "chicken egg."

The first chicken came from a line of chicken-like ancestors that laid eggs. So that chicken's grandmother laid the egg that hatched the chicken's mother, which laid the egg that hatched the chicken. The eggs are a constant in the story because they go back for a long, long time.

[Pineapple]

Think about which came first: the chicken or the egg?

The egg came first. Much older species than chickens use eggs to reproduce.

I thought it was apparent that I meant "egg" as in "chicken egg."

The first chicken came from a line of chicken-like ancestors that laid eggs. So that chicken's grandmother laid the egg that hatched the chicken's mother, which laid the egg that hatched the chicken. The eggs are a constant in the story because they go back for a long, long time.

OR, you can take my rhetorical question for its meaning and contemplate the possibility that before this chicken there was an egg, and before that egg there was a chicken, ad infinitum.

[maverixk]

Sure, we could take your rhetorical question and gain that meaning from it, but we actually have an answer, so why should we ignore it?