are you creationist or evolutionist?

[Artois]

For example, I'd like you to explain how this statement reflects openess or doubts?

Where did God come from?

God always has and always will be in existence, has no beginning or end.

I think you will find that faith is absolute, and God rewards absolute faith.
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I have not witnessed God rewarding or punishing.
I think you will find ALL the evidence you require in the bible.
Also please note the difference between noting you can be wrong and disbelief. BP has confirmed he does not disbelief but does recognize that he can be wrong.
In stating the truth that 'God has and always will be in existence, has no beginning or end', I find irrefutable proof that this statement is not open to doubt.

A further point: if God didn't create the world then it would be different, therefore because it is not different God made it.

What?
Please provide your logic (in standard format please). This appears to assume the conclusion to support the conclusion.
The bible states quite clearly that the world was created by God, further this book is the word of God, and therefore irrefutable.  As such, we can accept that God created the world, as we know it, and I propose that a world he didn't create would statistically be unlikely to match EXACTLY this world created by God... therefore the proof that the world we inhabit is his design, and not a different/random/evolved world, is proof of God's perfect creation.

[maverixk]

A further point: if God didn't create the world then it would be different, therefore because it is not different God made it.

That logic just doesn't make sense. You have no way of knowing that the world is or is not different.
EDIT: You can't really use the bible as evidence in a debate that is arguing against the absolute truth of it.

[Artois]

A further point: if God didn't create the world then it would be different, therefore because it is not different God made it.

That logic just doesn't make sense. You have no way of knowing that the world is or is not different.

It is quite clear that God created the world, as stated in the bible, hence IF he didn't create it, it would not be the same as the one he DID make... ie. it would be different.

[Nepycros]

A further point: if God didn't create the world then it would be different, therefore because it is not different God made it.

That logic just doesn't make sense. You have no way of knowing that the world is or is not different.

It is quite clear that God created the world, as stated in the bible, hence IF he didn't create it, it would not be the same as the one he DID make... ie. it would be different.

A unicorn made the world, as stated in a pamphlet I made up 5 minutes ago. If your theory holds true, so does mine. Just having a book saying it's true isn't enough, I'm afraid. ALL HAIL MAH UNICORN!

[OldTrees]

I have not witnessed God rewarding or punishing.
I think you will find ALL the evidence you require in the bible.

I do not assume the bible is accurate.

Also please note the difference between noting you can be wrong and disbelief. BP has confirmed he does not disbelief but does recognize that he can be wrong.
In stating the truth that 'God has and always will be in existence, has no beginning or end', I find irrefutable proof that this statement is not open to doubt.

Again you are confusing doubt and recognition of ability to be wrong. They are not the same. Reread until you recognize the difference.

Please provide your logic (in standard format please). This appears to assume the conclusion to support the conclusion.
The bible states quite clearly that the world was created by God, further this book is the word of God, and therefore irrefutable.  As such, we can accept that God created the world, as we know it, and I propose that a world he didn't create would statistically be unlikely to match EXACTLY this world created by God... therefore the proof that the world we inhabit is his design, and not a different/random/evolved world, is proof of God's perfect creation.

So in proper format
P1) The Bible claims God created the world
P2) If God exists then the Bible is accurate
P3) God exists
P4) A God created world would be observably different than one not created by a God
5=P1+P2+P3) God created the world
C=P4+5) God exists

As you can plainly see you have to assume your conclusion for your argument to be valid. In short your argument can be reduced to
P1) God exists
C) God exists

Arguments are only convincing if the audience accepts ALL the premises.
Arguments are only useful if they conclude something not assumed as a premise.
Your argument fails both when presented to its target audience.

[Artois]

So in proper format
P1) The Bible claims God created the world
P2) If God exists then the Bible is accurate
P3) God exists
P4) A God created world would be observably different than one not created by a God
5=P1+P2+P3) God created the world
C=P4+5) God exists

As you can plainly see you have to assume your conclusion for your argument to be valid. In short your argument can be reduced to
P1) God exists
C) God exists

Arguments are only convincing if the audience accepts ALL the premises.
Arguments are only useful if they conclude something not assumed as a premise.
Your argument fails both when presented to its target audience.

Thats exactly my point, only you wrote it a lot better!

However, premise one, the bible claims God created the world is true insomuch that the bible is the word of God, and there is no rational reason that God would lie about creating the world.  Of that, there can be no doubt, unless you believe that God was speaking in metaphors?

[OldTrees]

So in proper format
P1) The Bible claims God created the world
P2) If God exists then the Bible is accurate
P3) God exists
P4) A God created world would be observably different than one not created by a God
5=P1+P2+P3) God created the world
C=P4+5) God exists

As you can plainly see you have to assume your conclusion for your argument to be valid. In short your argument can be reduced to
P1) God exists
C) God exists

Arguments are only convincing if the audience accepts ALL the premises.
Arguments are only useful if they conclude something not assumed as a premise.
Your argument fails both when presented to its target audience.

Thats exactly my point, only you wrote it a lot better!

However, premise one, the bible claims God created the world is true insomuch that the bible is the word of God, and there is no rational reason that God would lie about creating the world.  Of that, there can be no doubt, unless you believe that God was speaking in metaphors?

P3 and P4 are the questionable premises (ie not accepted by everyone.)

Also you need to improve your reading comprehension. I detailed what you said and then critiqued it. Your argument is impracticable and unconvincing.

[maverixk]

The problem with your argument, Artois is that you are using the Bible as evidence when not everybody agrees on its truth. And saying that God wouldn't lie doesn't add anything to the argument because all it says is that if he's real then he wouldn't lie. You keep assuming the Bible's truth, which I commend you for your faith...sort of...but I definitely don't commend you for you evidence usage.

[BluePriest]

I would like to clarify something.
You Can
Have 100% Faith
Doubt You Faith
Test It

You Can Not
Have 100% Faith
Have doubt
Refuse to test that doubt

The Difference
The refusal to test your faith stems from a subconscious internal fear that you are wrong.
If you are willing to test your faith in your doubts, then it shows that even though you have doubts, you know God will come through in the end.

[Artois]

The refusal to test your faith stems from a subconscious internal fear that you are wrong.
If you are willing to test your faith in your doubts, then it shows that even though you have doubts, you know God will come through in the end.

Despite your initial points, your conclusion appears to confirm my belief ie. you can test faith with impunity when: "you know God will come through in the end."  BP

[Nepycros]

Not entirely true. I tested my faith through doubts, and I ended up atheist. And don't throw that crap of 'you were never a TRUE christian', because that kind of stuff just doesn't make any sense.

[adrix89]

If evolution exist(which it does to some degrees) the REAL question for a spiritual person is if it is a process that affects the soul too.

BTW I believe in unicorns, just take a horse splice some genes and add a horn, I bet you in 20 years will have them!