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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg403064#msg403064
« Reply #132 on: October 03, 2011, 01:46:10 am »
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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg403086#msg403086
« Reply #133 on: October 03, 2011, 02:07:38 am »
The following is (what I perceive to be) true:
Anyone who has not done their research, has not observed an anomoly in the actual data of the field, and arbitrarily denounces said entire field of research probably functions on either hunch or blind defiance.
Perception is the source of misunderstanding.

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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg403880#msg403880
« Reply #134 on: October 04, 2011, 05:15:59 am »
There is NO proof in the fossil record that has been found.
Um, sir, where have you done your research. The fossil record is one of the main supporters of the theory of evolution.
Have you done research to see that some of the so called links are not even complete, or were completely faked, mixing to diferent fossils to make it look like its own original.

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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg404195#msg404195
« Reply #135 on: October 04, 2011, 07:56:49 pm »
There is NO proof in the fossil record that has been found.
Um, sir, where have you done your research. The fossil record is one of the main supporters of the theory of evolution.
Have you done research to see that some of the so called links are not even complete, or were completely faked, mixing to diferent fossils to make it look like its own original.
I'm sorry, I didn't know that it had to be complete to even be believable. [/sarcasm] >.>
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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg404320#msg404320
« Reply #136 on: October 04, 2011, 11:34:11 pm »
when i say complete, i mean that the important parts that would even need for it to be called what they are claiming it is. Like they will take fossils and say it is a link even though it is missing the most important parts.

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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg404362#msg404362
« Reply #137 on: October 05, 2011, 12:40:22 am »
when i say complete, i mean that the important parts that would even need for it to be called what they are claiming it is. Like they will take fossils and say it is a link even though it is missing the most important parts.
What are those parts? Are you sure that people that dedicate their lives to being able to tell the difference between bones of one species and another do not notice other important parts that you miss?

If you are speaking about the rare frauds that the scientific community disproves and throws out then how would disregarded fraudulent claims be relevant to the veracity of current theory?
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« Reply #138 on: October 05, 2011, 04:11:29 am »
its not that they miss it. They do everything they can to prove evolution true even if it means makeing up a story. Such as the frog/salamnder that was apppaerently a transitional form was missing the legs and joints(or some area near that)  that would need to be there to even determine whether it was a transitional form or not.

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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg404491#msg404491
« Reply #139 on: October 05, 2011, 04:23:36 am »
I think this should be in its own section, not religion i think it should be moved. The religion section should be more of people just sharing their religions.

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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg404526#msg404526
« Reply #140 on: October 05, 2011, 05:57:08 am »
its not that they miss it. They do everything they can to prove evolution true even if it means makeing up a story. Such as the frog/salamnder that was apppaerently a transitional form was missing the legs and joints(or some area near that)  that would need to be there to even determine whether it was a transitional form or not.
Not all scientists are good at science. Here are 2 reasons relevant to your observation.
1) The confirmation bias. People tend to give more weigh to evidence that agrees with their conclusions.
2) Related to the confirmation bias. People tend to try to test their theories by try to find evidence of it occuring.
Ex: If I predict the Sun rises only if people sleep then I could propose a test where we have people sleep and see if the sun rises. Obviously this test is fraught with false positive evidence for my theory. To test my theory I would also need to test if the Sun will rise when nobody sleeps. Since the Sun will rise even if nobody sleeps, my theory is disproved.

Part of science is trying in good faith to accurately test (try to disprove) your theories.

I have found that people skeptical of Evolution tend to look at examples from the less reliable scientists.

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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg408336#msg408336
« Reply #141 on: October 12, 2011, 01:38:06 am »
Sorry if this is the wrong topic but here are my two cents. My brother came up with this idea. To claim there is no god means you have to know everything. Seeing as how that is one of the stipulations of being a god you are, in all intents and purposes, saying you are a god defeating yourself in the process.
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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg408339#msg408339
« Reply #142 on: October 12, 2011, 01:44:49 am »
Sorry if this is the wrong topic but here are my two cents. My brother came up with this idea. To claim there is no god means you have to know everything. Seeing as how that is one of the stipulations of being a god you are, in all intents and purposes, saying you are a god defeating yourself in the process.
Underlined premise is false.
I can make claims without knowledge: The closest galaxy has 4 arms.
I can make claims that happen to be false: The sun is made of cheese.
I can make claims without knowledge that coincidentally happen to be true: You sit when at your computer.
I can make claims about subject X(math) without knowing anything about subject Y(you): 1+1=2

Therefore people can make claims about the existence or non existence of god without having omniscience.
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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg408347#msg408347
« Reply #143 on: October 12, 2011, 01:56:10 am »
you make a valid point but then again I don't expect anyone who doesn't believe like me to go along with what I say. if I did I may as well go live in a padded room
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