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are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg377584#msg377584
« on: August 09, 2011, 12:51:24 am »
are you creationist or evolutionist? why?
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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg377591#msg377591
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2011, 01:18:39 am »
Why?
Because as a college biology student I have learned increasingly more accurate descriptions of what Evolutionists mean by Evolution. Eventually when you understand what the theory says and do some experiments yourself it becomes self evident. Unfortunately most of the disagreement about Evolution originates from miscommunication about what the theory is.

However I must point out that Evolution is not a theory about the origin of life.
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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg377607#msg377607
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2011, 01:42:59 am »
I must ask, "Why can't you be both?"
The existence of evolution doesn't contradict the theory of being created by a deity.
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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg377610#msg377610
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2011, 01:48:07 am »
Evolution =/= Creation.

They are 2 seperate things.

Even the the theory of evolution doesn't fully explain the origin of life in the first place.
There could be many possibilities into how the most primitive life formed.

The fact is, even the smallest cells are a somewhat complicated mechanism, and have a specific task.

The idea that this purpose came out of a bunch of chemicals out of complete chance is enough for me to think that some form of creation is definitely possible.

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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg377614#msg377614
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2011, 01:53:17 am »
I don't think that Evolution=/=Creation. Sure, certain elements of a creation theory and an evolution theory may contradict, but we've seen evidence of evolution, so why couldn't a deity have created life and then let/had it evolve? Why does The Creation theory make evolution false?
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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg377622#msg377622
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2011, 02:02:42 am »
I believe that a better poll would be do you believe in "Intelligent Design" or "Evolution". Creation refers simply to believing the Christian God is the designer. Intelligent Design just means that you believe there was an intelligent designer behind the creation of the universe.

I would be a creationist. The contradiction people have on whether or not creation and evolution are mutually exclusive ideas or not, usually relates to their interpretation of the book of Genesis. If you believe it to be a literal account, then the ideas are mutually exclusive, however, if you do not believe it to be a literal account, then you can easily say that the 2 are not mutually exclusive.

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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg377642#msg377642
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2011, 02:12:02 am »
Well personally, I view the creation story in genesis as a metaphor, but even intelligent design and the concept of evolution don't conflict...wait, Evolution here, with a capitol E, refers to evolution of first life...nevermind.
Although I still think the intelligent designer would haev/could have caused the first life to evolve...so I still don't have an answer...GAH! why am I confusing myself so much...
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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg377653#msg377653
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2011, 02:19:55 am »
very true. ID and Evolution can mix easily. Creation and Evolution mixing just depends on the view of Genesis. As for capitalizing Evolution... it wasnt intentional, I randomly capitalize things just because I like words having a capital.
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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg377666#msg377666
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2011, 02:46:01 am »
Oh, well when I referred to Evolution as having a capitol E I meant I was referring to the theory instead of the concept of evolution.
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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg377765#msg377765
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2011, 05:32:36 am »
I believe that the universe just spontaneously, randomly popped into existence via some complicated quantum mechanics stuff that I'll learn in a few years. I consider it more likely than the universe being "created" by some outside entity. After all, if God made us, who made God? If God just randomly popped into existence, then I'm still right. Religion seems to think that our existence already has some meaning predetermined by some outside force. I say screw it, existence is meaningless so it's up to us to find our own meanings.

Okay, the above paragraph is a bit chaotic and disorganized, but I'm too lazy to fix it. I'm basically trying to say that I believe it's fully possible that life, or existence itself, just spontaneously came into existence by pure chance. Of course it's also possible that some cosmic entity created us. But if that's the case, then I feel that my existence doesn't have any meaning by itself (i.e. I'm just a slave or an extension of God instead of my own person); I will not have any form of individuality. So I'd prefer to believe that I'm created through randomness and is actually my own person. So evolution and abiogenesis for me.
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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg377793#msg377793
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2011, 06:44:46 am »
@Bloodshadow
Please do not miscommunicate the concept of Evolution by using the erroneous term "pure chance". You mean chance greatly influenced by natural laws. (or you might mean determined)
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Re: are you creationist or evolutionist? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29675.msg380860#msg380860
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2011, 12:28:13 pm »
Neither. However I believe biological evolution is true, or to say it accurately evolution has happened and is happening even if there are still more answers to find.

Reason? Fossil record, evidence from DNA. Evolutionism can be associated with political activism, which is why I don't prefer it.
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