All of you evolutionists are stupid when it comes to logic.

[Destiny]

Think about it this way. You believe in a big bang, and you say that  no matter can come by supernatural forces. If you say that the big bang created everything, where did the big bang come from? If there's a big bang, there has to be something to go bang.

Secondly, millions of years is not possible. Salt grows in the oceans every day. If the earth really was millions of years, we could literally walk across the ocean.

And last, do you know how complex life is? Only 20 amino acids are used in life, and there are a lot of amino acids. Only the left-handed amino acids are used in life, none of the right-handed ones. There are left and right-handed amino acids. And another thing is that you have to have all of the amino acids in exact order.

Do you REALLY believe that our bodies could be made by chance?

[nerd1]

1- salt is not MADE it is converted from other compounds, and as such, can be converted back.
2- god existed before the universe, so why not some random really huge atom?
3- our bodies werent made by chance, they were simply the best adapted body for us.

[Ryli]

If a big bang is illogical then so is a god. Nothing existed before the universe according to you, so how did God exist?

[Glitch]

Think about it this way. You believe in a big bang, and you say that  no matter can come by supernatural forces. If you say that the big bang created everything, where did the big bang come from? If there's a big bang, there has to be something to go bang.

Secondly, millions of years is not possible. Salt grows in the oceans every day. If the earth really was millions of years, we could literally walk across the ocean.

And last, do you know how complex life is? Only 20 amino acids are used in life, and there are a lot of amino acids. Only the left-handed amino acids are used in life, none of the right-handed ones. There are left and right-handed amino acids. And another thing is that you have to have all of the amino acids in exact order.

Do you REALLY believe that our bodies could be made by chance?

Oh my god... it all makes sense now...

Thank you "Destiny", you've made me see the light.

Clearly the world was made by a zombie jew.

[Daxx]

Assuming you're not just trolling...

Think about it this way. You believe in a big bang, and you say that  no matter can come by supernatural forces. If you say that the big bang created everything, where did the big bang come from? If there's a big bang, there has to be something to go bang.

Presumably you believe in a God, who created the universe. If you say that God created everything, where did God come from? Who or what created God?

If you attempt to argue for an eternal uncreated God, you must realise your criticism breaks down since the same logic can be used to justify an eternal universe or universes.

If you don't argue for an uncreated God, then what created the thing that created God? What created that? And what created that? As the famous quote goes, it's turtles all the way down.

Your second mistake is in assuming that "there has to be something to go bang". This isn't actually strictly true - first consider that you are attempting to use causal logic to trace back before spacetime itself was even created, which means that the requirement for a cause isn't necessarily a strong one; secondly consider that you've not actually explained why something cannot come from nothing. Simply because you consider something intuitively obvious does not make something true.

Secondly, millions of years is not possible. Salt grows in the oceans every day. If the earth really was millions of years, we could literally walk across the ocean.

"Salt grows"? I assume you're talking about increased concentration of salt in the oceans over time, in which case I'm fairly confident in saying that you fail at geology and chemistry forever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleosalinity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solubility_equilibrium

And last, do you know how complex life is? Only 20 amino acids are used in life, and there are a lot of amino acids. Only the left-handed amino acids are used in life, none of the right-handed ones. There are left and right-handed amino acids. And another thing is that you have to have all of the amino acids in exact order.

Do you REALLY believe that our bodies could be made by chance?

Yes. Over evolutionary timescales it is indeed possible for our bodies to have developed according to the principles of evolution by natural selection. What aspects of complexity or chance are you specifically questioning? I should point out in advance that there's still never been posited an example of irreducable complexity which wasn't later discovered to be reducable. Also, that the anthropic principle is an important thing to consider in matters of "chance".

EDIT: Argh argh why did I just post in the Religion section I thought I'd gotten out argh

[OldTrees]

Title:All of you evolutionists are stupid when it comes to logic.

1) It is not wise to insult the group you are trying to persuade unless your goal is to make them more stubborn.
2) Insults are rude.

Think about it this way. You believe in a big bang, and you say that  no matter can come by supernatural forces. If you say that the big bang created everything, where did the big bang come from? If there's a big bang, there has to be something to go bang.

1) I thought the topic was evolutionists not big bang cosmologists although they have high correlation.
2) Most who use the big bang model believe that it is epistemologically more sound to believe something that if wrong could be disproved that to believe something that if wrong could not be disproved. (Please reread this part it is very important)
3) There are more theories about the origin/cause of the big bang. Few people that believe in the big bang would claim it to be an uncaused cause.
4) The big bang claims there was something to go bang. It claims there was a large mass/energy in a nigh infinitesimal volume.

Secondly, millions of years is not possible. Salt grows in the oceans every day. If the earth really was millions of years, we could literally walk across the ocean.

1) Salt does not grow it is assembled and disassembled in chemical reactions.
2) The levels of salt in the oceans are relatively constant not growing.

And last, do you know how complex life is? Only 20 amino acids are used in life, and there are a lot of amino acids. Only the left-handed amino acids are used in life, none of the right-handed ones. There are left and right-handed amino acids. And another thing is that you have to have all of the amino acids in exact order.

Do you REALLY believe that our bodies could be made by chance?

1) Life is very complex, so is probability.
2) While there are a lot of theoretical amino acids, very few of them are present on earth.
3) Most organic molecules (containing carbon) are handed molecules also known as chiral molecules.
4) Chirality adds complexity but does not make proteins impossible.
5) The likelihood of an improbable event occurring given enough opportunity increases to near certainty.
6) Even unlikely events can happen. A die has 6 faces, it is possible to roll a 3 even though it is improbable.

[nerd1]

because everyone is basically repeating the same thing, i will just summarize for you if you didn't get it yet:
you are 99.999% wrong. see? we're giving you a CHANCE at being right.

[Antiderivative]

Evolution and the origins of the universe are two completely different topics of study.  What you are doing is essentially making a logical fallacy to use the First Cause argument in order to advocate for your personal deity.   This is a very sophomoric God-of-the-Gaps arguments. 

Salt does not "grow".  It is a chemical reaction.  To also let you know, people do not turn into pillars of salt.

As for your amino acid theory, read this.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB040.html

[RootRanger]

Didn't I crush the first two arguments in the last thread? I can't remember if it was you or not, there are so many of you guys.

Based on your last argument, you clearly do not know about evolution. I'll try to simplify it to make it understandable by someone with next to no scientific knowledge.
Basically, there are DNA mutations (just look at colorblindness, hemophilia, etc). Usually these mutations suck, but occasionally they are very beneficial. The organisms with good mutations, such as higher intelligence or longer legs, are more likely to survive to the age when they become able to reproduce. Their kids will have those useful mutations, but the organisms without the mutations are more likely to die. Eventually, the whole population will have the beneficial mutation. Over many generations the whole species will have changed drastically. If you don't believe me read up about darwin's finches, proof of evolution.

[implosion]

What everyone else said, with a large emphasis on this:

Title:All of you evolutionists are stupid when it comes to logic.

1) It is not wise to insult the group you are trying to persuade unless your goal is to make them more stubborn.
2) Insults are rude.

[OJPaper]

Anyone else getting the feeling that this thread is actually a bit of a troll?



I mean come on.

[DragonZProductions]

Think about it this way. You believe in a big bang, and you say that  no matter can come by supernatural forces. If you say that the big bang created everything, where did the big bang come from? If there's a big bang, there has to be something to go bang.

Secondly, millions of years is not possible. Salt grows in the oceans every day. If the earth really was millions of years, we could literally walk across the ocean.

And last, do you know how complex life is? Only 20 amino acids are used in life, and there are a lot of amino acids. Only the left-handed amino acids are used in life, none of the right-handed ones. There are left and right-handed amino acids. And another thing is that you have to have all of the amino acids in exact order.

Do you REALLY believe that our bodies could be made by chance?

Time to through in my two cents...
Firstly you say we believe we believe in the big bang... you are making an assumption that not only do evolutionists believe in the big bang but also that the big bang theory is also the only theory of the existence of the universe.  Secondly The big bang has almost nothing to do with the creation of the universe in the first place... contrary to popular belief the big bang theory is more or less about the shaping of the universe and the end of the universe, while the big bang theory provides evidence to an explosion as the beginning of the universe, it is just a theory being used to prove another theory.  Thirdly Salt is not grown, also remember that when you place salt in a glass the salt will dissolve into the water and then will sink to the bottom, so not only will it take not just millions for all the water in the world to turn liquid but also even longer for the salt to reach a height that is greater then the bottom of the ocean.  Finally, I do not understand what you are trying to ask with the final statement you are trying to make is, of course we know how complex life is because if it wasn't complex it wouldn't be simple to evolve in the first place... and do you understand the chance it is that we are living our lives... you can go back for so long and if that one sperm cell did not decide to be there first then the miracle of life wouldn't have been made... you had a 1 in a million^number of ancestors going back to first Homo-Sapiens.  So yes our bodies are made by a incredibly small chance and that is why life is a miracle.  Of course this is just my 2 cents not trying to insult you just stating my opinion...