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sahtar

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Re: A Philosophical Perspective on the Supernatural https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1703.msg17320#msg17320
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2010, 12:46:22 pm »
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This holds true, when you follow the argumentation of Kant
this holds true with or without Kant. but prove me wrong.

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Re: A Philosophical Perspective on the Supernatural https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1703.msg17504#msg17504
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2010, 10:57:45 pm »
Well... it probably does - but with Kant you have a scientific edge to it. Whatever that is worth to you. ;)

On a more serious note: Kant built a whole system-theory. Within that theory it wouldn't hold true, if the statement was just made based on empiric knowledge (experience).

sahtar

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Re: A Philosophical Perspective on the Supernatural https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1703.msg17567#msg17567
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2010, 09:41:52 am »
for me Kant's only relevance here is his epistemologic approach, concerning the 'what can be understood' part.
but you can approach the question ontologically, just like Heidegger did. dasein's fundamental modes of being are being-in-the-world and having-a-world. in order to-have-a-world, dasein must understand it. can infinity be understood? what I want to emphasize here is that infinity is not present in my world, it's something out of it. or e.g. supernatural expresses this the most, since it almost literally tells that god is out of this world. so for my mode of being it is just as unreachable, as a 3 dimensional thing for a 2 dimensional being.
or there is Rorty, let's focus on our lives and use what is useful for us. do I need god for some reason? if yes, I believe in it, or to be more precise I believe in something what I want god to be like.. as Putnam says you can only refer to what you are conscious of. what do you refer to when you say infinity? (not to mention god.) by no means one can refer to it, only to a/his/her concept of it, which is necessarily vague.
etc, etc.
but from many these come something interesting, concerning the design argument. in trying to understand god, we are creating it in a way we can understand. it's just laughable.

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Re: A Philosophical Perspective on the Supernatural https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1703.msg17571#msg17571
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2010, 10:16:24 am »
1. Something can not come from nothing.
2. I exist.
3. Therefore, someone must have caused my existence.
There is a fallacy here, however. If something can not come from nothing, then how did the designer come into existence? If the universe could not have come from nothing, then the entity responsible for its origin must also have an origin by that logic. Where did it come from? It too would have to have a designer, much as you would need a designer by that same logic, and then we have an infinite recursion problem.

Either way we approach it, we have a problem grasping any solution when we ask, "Where does everything come from?" If we could ever understand it, it would be quite brilliant for a being with a lifespan as short as ours to grasp something infinitely larger than ourselves.

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Re: A Philosophical Perspective on the Supernatural https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1703.msg20048#msg20048
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2010, 03:15:55 am »
We all had to come from something right? I'm not exactly sure how that first instance of time and space came into being. I don't know if what I'm saying is logically correct or not.

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Re: A Philosophical Perspective on the Supernatural https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1703.msg20082#msg20082
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2010, 05:36:12 am »
We all had to come from something right? I'm not exactly sure how that first instance of time and space came into being. I don't know if what I'm saying is logically correct or not.
That's really the whole problem. According to what we think we know, everything had to come from something, but if you search for that something, you'll never find it. So it's either something that doesn't work in a logical way, or we are wrong in assuming everything has to come from something.

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Re: A Philosophical Perspective on the Supernatural https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1703.msg20263#msg20263
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2010, 09:53:37 pm »
After a bit of research, I think the answer could lie in a singularity, a point in a blackhole in which time is just static and an infinite amount of mass is crushed into an infinitely small space. If such a super-critical point of time and space can exist in our current universe, who says it could not have caused the big bang which created us in the first place?

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Re: A Philosophical Perspective on the Supernatural https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1703.msg24256#msg24256
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2010, 10:54:44 am »

 

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