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Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg231924#msg231924
« Reply #48 on: December 24, 2010, 02:36:00 am »
i do have to say the ffq/hope deck is more powerful. That one and the  :darkness :fire one are the 2 hardest ones for me. The latter has so much CC... I can hardly keep a creature on the board. But theres not many damaging creatures so Im still usually able to kill it 99% of the time. MEanwhile, if I dont kill the ffq deck fast im doomed. But thats prolly just due to me having NO mass CC (or CC of any kind for that matter)
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Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg232003#msg232003
« Reply #49 on: December 24, 2010, 04:34:52 am »
it has to be your deck. Just look around the forums. I think they have gotten slightly easier. Only because alot of them have been slowed down. im using a graboid rainbow. my deck has a ttw of 8 and its completely unupped with no rares. if interested pm me and ill give you the deck list. its cheap too. i think its about 930 coins.

Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg232035#msg232035
« Reply #50 on: December 24, 2010, 05:34:33 am »
@CrazyJay94
it hasn't gotten any easier, the new elders are actually more focused (their strategies), and thus harder
however, with proper rush decks, they still easy to farm, I have only lost two, or maybe three, games to them so far with USEM

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Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg232042#msg232042
« Reply #51 on: December 24, 2010, 05:49:39 am »
I love how no one pointed out the ffq/hope isn't a "new ai3."
From my experiences, the only thing that has changes are that the pendulums allow better flow of quanta. Basically nothing else has changed. The old ai3 could have pulled that off on you if it had a lucky draw, so I don't see what sparked you to make this topic.

On the other hand, all the decks in ai3 can easily be countered by unupped decks, and a few decks have no problem farming ai3s.

Personally, I want the jump from ai2 to ai3 to be similar in difficulty to the jump from ai3/ai5 to ai6, but that's asking for too much.
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Oh, and I'm just wondering, OP.
Were you mutating/sniping ffqs before everything else?

Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg232125#msg232125
« Reply #52 on: December 24, 2010, 11:10:44 am »
this is unrelated to the topic, but @patchx94, check out ur profile picture, and then look at mine...
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Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg232383#msg232383
« Reply #53 on: December 24, 2010, 09:00:46 pm »
this is unrelated to the topic, but @patchx94, check out ur profile picture, and then look at mine...
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[offtopic] yeah, actually went like "omfg, now i have 200 posts and can put a .gif as my profile pic! ...now i remember there was this one guy with an ash turning into a phoenix turning into an ash...hm...."[/offtopic]

Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg232394#msg232394
« Reply #54 on: December 24, 2010, 09:19:30 pm »
this is unrelated to the topic, but @patchx94, check out ur profile picture, and then look at mine...
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[offtopic] yeah, actually went like "omfg, now i have 200 posts and can put a .gif as my profile pic! ...now i remember there was this one guy with an ash turning into a phoenix turning into an ash...hm...."[/offtopic]
It's creepy that we both have "China" as our country...

Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg232403#msg232403
« Reply #55 on: December 24, 2010, 09:28:38 pm »
@TheIdioticIdiot, lol  i didnt notice that part, but those evil abusers would still have to let themselves go over 5000... maybe after 300 wins?

anyways, this whole discussion probably isnt important because its kinda ridiculous to lose on purpose just to keep getting the better rewards. I dont actually think anyone would abuse it, but i do think it would be easier on zanz to implement a timer system instead of a points-based system.

And now that I think about it, the new ai3 isnt that much harder, it just gives a better fight against rush decks.

Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg232429#msg232429
« Reply #56 on: December 24, 2010, 10:20:19 pm »
how about that the 5000 score is the total score win, not the actual score

like  for example, u have 4503, that's not 5000, but u lost 845 score on the way there, so u have technically won 5348, which means the bonuses end

Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg234960#msg234960
« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2010, 07:40:10 pm »
sounds good  :)

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Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg235006#msg235006
« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2010, 09:12:44 pm »
Basically as far as balancing the AI's go, there are 2 issues which should be addressed separately.

  The first is the difficulty of the opponents.  For this, each level should be just difficult enough that by the time you more or less mastered one level, the next one will provide a decent challenge.  As things are set up now with the new AI3's, I think the difficulty is just about right.  The first couple levels are easy enough for a new player to win using the starter deck with at most minor modifications, AI 2 requires at least a somewhat decent deck, AI3 needs a solid unupgraded deck, and 5 and 6 need a very well built deck and at least a few upped cards to do well.  Also, the quest system is there to basically walk people through the needed steps early on.

  Once that is settled, the second issue is balancing the risk vs. reward for each difficulty.  Again, ideally each level's reward should be balanced so that you can get the cards you need in order to move on to the next level within a reasonable period of time while also making it so that one you are able to move on, it will be more profitable for you to do so rather than continuing to farm lower levels.  I think this is where some rebalancing may be needed now with the new AI3's being harder.  If new players will be forced to spend a bit longer on AI2 since AI3 is harder now, the rewards for these 2 levels at least should be increased slightly to compensate.  It is also worth noting however that the new AI3's also seem to be a little bit better as far as allowing you to farm rares from them(both giving an increased reward and helping to prepare for the future changes in top50)

   As for preventing more experienced players from abusing things if AI3 rewards are increased, aside from the suggestions already made, I have two ideas.  First, rather than raising the electrum rewards for lower difficulties, instead simply lower the costs of buying cards from the bazaar.  This will make it easier for new players to get started and get multiple decks to keep things from being too boring while grinding early on, however upgrading cards(which affects experienced players more) would still take the same amount of time, thus making it worthwhile to move on to higher levels once you can do so.

  Secondly, if you want to go with the suggestion someone made earlier of providing increased rewards in the beginning to new payers, rather than making this time or score based, why not simply provide the increased rewards until the player all of the quests(or at least up until a certain point in the quest list).  Again, by the time a player reaches the point of being able to beat at least one fg, they're probably ready to move up to farming at least AI3 or even 5 and maybe top50, so the higher rewards aren't needed as much anymore.

Re: This is considered an AI3 opponent? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17923.msg235011#msg235011
« Reply #59 on: December 28, 2010, 09:18:21 pm »
@Hodari
u can beat FGs very early on, not easily, but it's not that hard either
just get liquid antimatter

 

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