Raise the Stakes - Suggestions and Feedback

[RootRanger]

If you have a problem with the rules or how the event is being run, post your feedback here.

[Dwerg]

a player that raises 1 and battle against someone that raised 2 have the same chances to win elements as his opponent.
so the risk more to gain more doesn't really apply.
From what I've read in the rules I thought by raising 1 the more you could win was 2, no matter what your opponent raise was.

[RootRanger]

a player that raises 1 and battle against someone that raised 2 have the same chances to win elements as his opponent.
so the risk more to gain more doesn't really apply.

Yes, it does apply. If that player placed a Raise of 2 instead of 1, then they would be able to win/lose 4 instead of 3.

[Dwerg]

mrblonde raised 2
mrpaper raised 1
both won 3 elements. thus mrblonde risked more and didn't gain any advantage with it.
One would only have a chance to win more if your opponent raises more as well.
So my suggestion(for future events) is your gains should be relative to your own raise and not to the added amount of the match's raises.

Cause even tho it does give you a possible slight advantage, in my opinion it's not enough to encourage raising and encourages the players to raise the minimum amount.

[RootRanger]

mrblonde raised 2
mrpaper raised 1
both won 3 elements. thus mrblonde risked more and didn't gain any advantage with it.

Both players would win 3 Elements if they won and lose 3 Elements if they lost. MrBlonde's advantage to placing a Raise of 2 is that he could have won 4 Elements if his opponent had placed a Raise of 2. But since mrpaper placed a Raise of 1, he would only be able to win 3 Elements.

[YoungSot]

mrblonde raised 2
mrpaper raised 1
both won 3 elements. thus mrblonde risked more and didn't gain any advantage with it.

Both players would win 3 Elements if they won and lose 3 Elements if they lost. MrBlonde's advantage to placing a Raise of 2 is that he could have won 4 Elements if his opponent had placed a Raise of 2. But since mrpaper placed a Raise of 1, he would only be able to win 3 Elements.

EDIT: I think I misunderstood some of the rules earlier. Raising is essentially the two of you deciding how high the stakes will be for that match. You each determine half of the total risk/reward, and if you have a great draw you'll want the stakes to be higher.

[Onizuka]

I think people who get walkover wins should only get 1/2 of the elements they would have gained if they won, rounded up.

Considering having more elements means being more powerful(and not just having a longer game), I don't think such a bonus should be allowed if you're doing no work.

[RootRanger]

Hm, I really like that idea.
It also gives incentive for high-ranking players to place more than the minimum, because there could be a walkover.
This rule will go into effect starting at Round 3.

[Jaymanfu]

But if they can't get more then 12 elements why would they bid more then the minimum?

[RootRanger]

If they are in a position where even placing the minimum Raise would give them 12 (such as having 7 Elements when the minimum is 4), there is still a chance that if they win, it will be from a walkover. So if they are very confident about their Draw, they might place a lot more Elements so they will reach 12 Elements if they win with a walkover. Also, placing more Elements means your opponent loses more and you might be able to only eliminate them if you place a high Raise. The incentive still is usually not enough, but I don't want to completely change the Raise mechanics midway through the event, since they are such a large part of the rules. I'll probably make more incentive to place a high Raise if this event is run again.

[mrpaper]

a thought on raises... for round 3, it's still fine cause you can bet from 4 to 7, which makes a possibility under 12
but in round 4, why bid BETWEEN 8 and 12, whatever you bid, the total will be higher then 12 anyway so the bid is useless here, unless you have 10 and be stupid enough to bid 10 while youre opponent only have 1 left which would gives you 11.  Because whatver you bid, you kill you're opponent by winning unless you're short on elements left, but then you will bid all that you have left anyway.
So just saying, round 4 should be a bet of 8 elements and we skip the bidding phase.

[RootRanger]

a thought on raises... for round 3, it's still fine cause you can bet from 4 to 7, which makes a possibility under 12
but in round 4, why bid BETWEEN 8 and 12, whatever you bid, the total will be higher then 12

Well, it can still be under 12 if one person places a Raise of 1 because they only have 1 Element.

anyway so the bid is useless here, unless you have 10 and be stupid enough to bid 10 while youre opponent only have 1 left which would gives you 11.  Because whatver you bid, you kill you're opponent by winning unless you're short on elements left, but then you will bid all that you have left anyway.
So just saying, round 4 should be a bet of 8 elements and we skip the bidding phase.

I agree that placing anything higher than 8 would be useless.
So I'll skip the raising phase of Round 4, as well as the rounds after that of course.