Oracle : Rainbow

[twinsbuster]

you dont even need quint for the dune scorpions
just one hit is all it takes...but rainbow does have 6 miracles so they might be able to outrace your damage unless you have something to counter their damage potential, say a protected gravity shield
i'd go with something tricolor like dune scorpion, momentum, grav.shield, basilisk blood, enchant artifact, eternity (to avoid deckout)

i'll post a test decklist later (i dont like using trainer and i only test oracle-fg deck when facing them for real)

Your build sound much better, but I'll go for the full defense strategy.
Due to the Miracles, the best way to win with an unupped deck is to deck her out, and I'll need some heal to overcome weapon, forest spirit and shrieker damage.

[Higurashi]

Yeah, there's no point in doing damage unless you're going to get past the Miracles. I deck her out consistently with my RoL/Hope deck of 30 cards, but I s'pose an Eternity with something bounce-able would seal the deal.
Hm.. I haven't tried Antimatter/Liquid Shadow against Rainbow, but my experience tells me the CPU can't calculate the damage from that and shouldn't use Miracle.

[kobisjeruk]

AM+LS combo is enticing, no doubt...i've thought about that too but making it work vs Rainbow is too much hassle because they will throw everything but the kitchen sink at you unlike say, obliterator, incarnate or gemini
plus their creatures are less susceptible to the combo (burrowed and growth) so you need a lobo effect
but lobo need protection so you can either go quint+m.flayer or lobo+PA which means another 2 elements on top of +

its just not feasible imo

and yes, decking out is the best way for unupped but you need ways to counter at most 47(+20) damage coming your way in order to do that
assuming you went gravity shield route, burrowed shriekers x8 will do 40 (at most, if all in play), EE doing another 7 and thunderbolt x4 another 20 (not per turn but still need to be considered)

[Higurashi]

Yes, AM+LS would be in a stallbow. It's the only way to survive. I'ma test it in the Trainer.

[twinsbuster]

and yes, decking out is the best way for unupped but you need ways to counter at most 47(+20) damage coming your way in order to do that
assuming you went gravity shield route, burrowed shriekers x8 will do 40 (at most, if all in play), EE doing another 7 and thunderbolt x4 another 20 (not per turn but still need to be considered)
more than that, shriekers will hit you 12 damage before they burrow, forest spirit deal you 6 damage before they are blocked. So...it's too harsh.

[kobisjeruk]

So...it's too harsh.

you're agreeing with me and contradicting yourself at the same time
so...i dont know how to make of that

conclusion is, unupped deck need some serious miracle (pun intended) in order to win vs Rainbow

[Avenger]

*facepalm*

Rainbow can be easily beaten if you know he's coming.  Go gravity+earth, use otyugh to control and heavy armor to get him big enough, and use black holes and earthquakes to put rainbow in it's place.

That's a somewhat weak tactic as you need more than one oty to keep up control. Which means you need to protect your oty too.
Black holes won't provide enough healing either. I'm unsure if you can keep the quanta production of Rainbow under control too.
Which means, it is futile to use earthquakes.

I would use gravity/time, stalling with dune scorpions. No need to protect the scorpions, one bite (early) is enough to make Rainbow suffer. You just need to survive the damage and decking out, rewinding growing creatures/graboids. Sadly the black holes are still not enough for healing. Turtle shield needs protection and the need of a 3rd element makes this deck a bit fragile.

[majofa]

Updated with Antimatter/Liquid Shadow deck.

[hklown]

I threw something together like:

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55p 55p 55p 55q 55q 592 592 592 595 595 595 595 595 595 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rk 5ro 5rt 5rt
And the only thing I really can't figure out is damage from the weapon. If rainbow drops an owl's eye, I'm not really sure how to soak the 7 damage/turn.

Any ideas/comments on the deck?

EDIT: Incidentally, this works really well vs osiris if you get a momentumed dune scorp out early

[onetwentysix]

Just wanted to throw in that the un-upped Anti-matter/Liquid Shadow worked really well for me.  He doesn't use miracles.  And don't forget that the creatures lose their previous skills with LS; if you need to take out a shrieker it's still worth 40 damage against him before it dies (Anti-mattered) and he can't burrow it, and spirits can't grow out of their anti-matter with LS. 

It probably depends on draws though; without any AM/LS pairs in your hand, you're not doing well, and he needs to grow his spirits quickly to around 10 or so before killing you.  Still, it was a really easy win for me, at least.

[coldfusion]

OK it seems the general consensus is that you need rares. So how about someone putting up a deck with rares in that can take rainbow down 95%+ of the time given you know she's coming?

[majofa]

There is no deck that can take Rainbow down 95% of the time.