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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg47666#msg47666
« Reply #72 on: April 03, 2010, 07:57:25 am »
How do you have 4 lost against Fire queen 3 against Chaos lord..

I think I have lost to fire queen about 3 or 4 times, but killed him over 40 times
Chaos lord I lost about 2 or 3 times, but killed him over 30 times

Something is not right (prehaps) about your play style
It really has nothing to do with how I play.  When I don't get any shields or I get a late oty there's nothing I can do, especially if they get a good draw and have a fire queen, or several mutations out in the first or second round.

It seems like if I get permafrost or an oty soon then I almost always win, but if I get neither I have a low chance of winning.

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg47669#msg47669
« Reply #73 on: April 03, 2010, 08:05:19 am »
How do you have 4 lost against Fire queen 3 against Chaos lord..

I think I have lost to fire queen about 3 or 4 times, but killed him over 40 times
Chaos lord I lost about 2 or 3 times, but killed him over 30 times

Something is not right (prehaps) about your play style
It really has nothing to do with how I play.  When I don't get any shields or I get a late oty there's nothing I can do, especially if they get a good draw and have a fire queen, or several mutations out in the first or second round.

It seems like if I get permafrost or an oty soon then I almost always win, but if I get neither I have a low chance of winning.
If you dont get those, how about hourglass / bone wall / fire storm / mircale / SoG?
Those do help alot too

But then having said that, Fire queen is a real beast when it drops 4 fire queen on the table very early

Since you added antimatter / quantum tower (bear in mind about auto-muliigen) in the deck, i suppose this already changed the draw rate within the deck... And fire queen have virtually nothing for you to antimatter

Chaos lord, its hard to say, maybe I am on the luck side. But one of the lost is becausse he improve mutated a black dragon (16|6) with dive on it on his 3rd turn.... Other times his mutation are all used wrongly... But against him, I sometimes need to use fire storm with an odd timing to prevent him having a lot of druids on the board...

Knowing when to rain of fire is key too, especially you know the FG well enough that what can/cant be fire stormed...

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg47685#msg47685
« Reply #74 on: April 03, 2010, 09:42:26 am »
I'm currently thinking of styling ideas around that meld some of the different decks available. I made some changes (+1 SoG, -1 Miracle, +1 Hourglass) and so far it has been a little more consistent, but I'm still losing the games I should not lose (Gemini, for example).

I got some ideas, so I want to go try them out :P

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg47687#msg47687
« Reply #75 on: April 03, 2010, 09:58:20 am »
I'm currently thinking of styling ideas around that meld some of the different decks available. I made some changes (+1 SoG, -1 Miracle, +1 Hourglass) and so far it has been a little more consistent, but I'm still losing the games I should not lose (Gemini, for example).

I got some ideas, so I want to go try them out :P
I replaced 1 SoG to mircale at the start, but SoG would do great too

Adding hourglass could be a good idea, let me know how it goes

Like I said, I only posted a deck for my playstyle, could be improved/changed accoding to indivual needs  :P

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg48057#msg48057
« Reply #76 on: April 03, 2010, 10:22:37 pm »
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I have now included some videos that I made on the first few FG I stumpled across today

This is to give a mini-tutorial, prehaps a guideline, to let you see how much playstyle differ then yours and might be able to improve your win-rate with this deck  :))

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg48179#msg48179
« Reply #77 on: April 04, 2010, 03:26:25 am »
Watching your videos:

Morte had a lucky draw (Early FFQ + Quint + RoF + Bonewall + relatively early Oty) Not saying its a bad video, but it is a good set of draws, admittedly, against Morte.

One hindsight, most of the videos (or all, rather) have relatively good starting hands, hands that I can never seem to draw.

I would actually prefer a video where you lose with the deck, to have an idea of how the lost happens and in what scenarios that lost might occur. :)

Example of (F--- My Luck): http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/4510/d4aa7d93d21d4170be53352.png

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg48281#msg48281
« Reply #78 on: April 04, 2010, 12:29:04 pm »
Watching your videos:

Morte had a lucky draw (Early FFQ + Quint + RoF + Bonewall + relatively early Oty) Not saying its a bad video, but it is a good set of draws, admittedly, against Morte.

One hindsight, most of the videos (or all, rather) have relatively good starting hands, hands that I can never seem to draw.

I would actually prefer a video where you lose with the deck, to have an idea of how the lost happens and in what scenarios that lost might occur. :)

Example of (F--- My Luck): http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/4510/d4aa7d93d21d4170be53352.png
How did he do so much damage to you? What else did you draw during the other cards apart from the quinted oty?

It looks so close for the mircale, it seemed you are ust un-lucky

I just happen to record the first few FG I played ytd and took me whole day to upload them

I will work on the looses later, should be fun!

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg48324#msg48324
« Reply #79 on: April 04, 2010, 03:35:45 pm »
I used to use a 40 card rainbow, which, while bigger, isn't that significantly bigger. The biggest issue for me is how quanta tight the deck is, and it doesn't help when you need an hourglass within the first few cards to match the card drawing of the gods. In fact, more often than not, I don't draw the right cards. Like, I can never seem to draw the permafrost shield, or the SoGs when I need them.
First impressions is that I can't really see how the deck does so well. More often than not I'm stuck with no ability to speed up my draws.

Perhaps its my playing style, but I'm not fond of this deck. It can work, but might not be in my hands.
First of all the deck is by no means bad or below average. I would say its better than most BUT the Italicized text i highlighted is my main concern. I never get the right cards at the right time.

Its the luck factor. It is my only concern with the deck.

And ive just watched those games you youtubed. Those are cakewalk wins, somewhat what I consider the cannon part of the "glasscannon" comment. Those hands are rare for me. And the following draws were good/excellent which is also rare for me.

Thats why i label this deck a luck needed deck.
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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg48336#msg48336
« Reply #80 on: April 04, 2010, 04:36:02 pm »
I used to use a 40 card rainbow, which, while bigger, isn't that significantly bigger. The biggest issue for me is how quanta tight the deck is, and it doesn't help when you need an hourglass within the first few cards to match the card drawing of the gods. In fact, more often than not, I don't draw the right cards. Like, I can never seem to draw the permafrost shield, or the SoGs when I need them.
First impressions is that I can't really see how the deck does so well. More often than not I'm stuck with no ability to speed up my draws.

Perhaps its my playing style, but I'm not fond of this deck. It can work, but might not be in my hands.
First of all the deck is by no means bad or below average. I would say its better than most BUT the Italicized text i highlighted is my main concern. I never get the right cards at the right time.

Its the luck factor. It is my only concern with the deck.

And ive just watched those games you youtubed. Those are cakewalk wins, somewhat what I consider the cannon part of the "glasscannon" comment. Those hands are rare for me. And the following draws were good/excellent which is also rare for me.

Thats why i label this deck a luck needed deck.


How many games you played before you actually conclude this deck doesnt work for you? If you loose the first 5 games and sold the deck out, then I suppose you wont suceed in doing anything in life, for giving up so easily

Hows hovering around a low hp make me having a good draw?
Hows waiting for the right card to come while getting beat on a good set of draw?
Hows using eternity repeatedly and drawn my entire deck the "glasscannon" aspect of your comment?

Edit: I still dont agree some of the things you said and left most of the comment above, however sincere apologies about mis-understanding the english 1st time and thought you were saying my deck is bad  :'(

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg48354#msg48354
« Reply #81 on: April 04, 2010, 05:25:12 pm »
Admittedly, in any decent rainbow, the hand you start with and the subsequent draws are considered more than adequate to set the rainbow off. It is when you don't draw the cards you need the most when you come into problems.

I'm not saying the deck is bad, but it lacks the stability that some other rainbows had.

Speaking of which, do you have a link to the statistics of which you gathered?

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg48369#msg48369
« Reply #82 on: April 04, 2010, 06:06:47 pm »
Admittedly, in any decent rainbow, the hand you start with and the subsequent draws are considered more than adequate to set the rainbow off. It is when you don't draw the cards you need the most when you come into problems.

I'm not saying the deck is bad, but it lacks the stability that some other rainbows had.

Speaking of which, do you have a link to the statistics of which you gathered?
My cards always seem to come fine, maybe another hourglass will fix that for you. I wasn thinking maybe you can
-1supernova -1mircale and +1 hourglass +1 feral bond

Never said you say my deck is bad, no one ever did

I did the stats on an excel, coz I never knew about the stats page, will manually add them in and keep track when I got time~

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg48381#msg48381
« Reply #83 on: April 04, 2010, 06:53:30 pm »
http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=2693896820

Except for one stupid game against Incarnate where I decided that it would be better to play bonewall+RoF instead of keeping Permafrost, a 1/5 win rate ain't that good.

 

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