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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg47127#msg47127
« Reply #60 on: April 02, 2010, 08:49:28 am »
hmm, Graviton Firemaster (0/6) at only 1 gravity seem to be the perfect replacement for angel.

I've squeezed in Fractal since this deck kinda lacks the "punch"

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg47155#msg47155
« Reply #61 on: April 02, 2010, 11:50:29 am »
The big advantage of using Butterfly on an Otyugh is that with a 0 attack you don't have to worry about Fire Shield, Procrastination, Permafrost, or Thorn Carapace messing up your destroyer.
Following that logic, Devourers, Graviton FireEaters, Fire Spirits, Chysora, Fate Egg (lawl) are also good choices of cards. I might pick the devourer since he's kinda awesome :D

Edit: I'm using a PA and a Pest instead of the two unupgraded cards in the deck, and I'm keeping statistics here:

http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=2929868612
If you use extra oty, you get a better chance to draw 1 in begining hand
If you use pest, you can sometimes take away important quantum against some god, and you can burrow it early (e.g fire from divine glory, water from eldinois)

Totally your call, I use angel coz like i said its one of my favorite card in the game  ::)

The reason my PA is un-upped is because it makes the deck cheaper and makes the arrangement of cards look better

And btw, is it me or the stats URL not working for me (or do i need a login?)

hmm, Graviton Firemaster (0/6) at only 1 gravity seem to be the perfect replacement for angel.

I've squeezed in Fractal since this deck kinda lacks the "punch"
Well, my deck is open to changing to fit everyone's own style

But i never find myself lacking the "punch", for i am always very defensve until I get to the end when i get the queen, it becoms offensive enough to kill
Besides, being able to race scorpio's poison (I have over 15 wins against him now) will seem to proof my punch isnt that bad~

But if you want to fractual, fractual a minor phoenix, since firefly gives you fire quantum, and early phoenix can be very good to use up FG's spell against creature controls. Just oty one of your phoenix later on and then butterfly the ash!

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg47190#msg47190
« Reply #62 on: April 02, 2010, 01:49:25 pm »
If you use extra oty, you get a better chance to draw 1 in begining hand
If you use pest, you can sometimes take away important quantum against some god, and you can burrow it early (e.g fire from divine glory, water from eldinois)
Those are the really two only options.

I liked the idea of using Pest, since it's the only viable monster that keeps it's ability when you use Butterfly Effect on it.  But the more I think about it, the more I think having a 3rd Oty would be best.  Yeah it puts strain on the Gravity generation, but the stacking your deck for a quicker Oty seems too good to pass up.

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But if you want to fractual, fractual a minor phoenix, since firefly gives you fire quantum, and early phoenix can be very good to use up FG's spell against creature controls. Just oty one of your phoenix later on and then butterfly the ash!
This however, is also a good idea  :o  I might wanna mull over this one.

But a Fractal seems to conflict with the quintessences.  I mean jeeze, you'd never have enough Aether generation for that.

Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg47233#msg47233
« Reply #63 on: April 02, 2010, 03:04:37 pm »
I really like this deck now, it's quite powerful and useful!!!

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg47235#msg47235
« Reply #64 on: April 02, 2010, 03:09:24 pm »
If you use extra oty, you get a better chance to draw 1 in begining hand
If you use pest, you can sometimes take away important quantum against some god, and you can burrow it early (e.g fire from divine glory, water from eldinois)
Those are the really two only options.

I liked the idea of using Pest, since it's the only viable monster that keeps it's ability when you use Butterfly Effect on it.  But the more I think about it, the more I think having a 3rd Oty would be best.  Yeah it puts strain on the Gravity generation, but the stacking your deck for a quicker Oty seems too good to pass up.

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But if you want to fractual, fractual a minor phoenix, since firefly gives you fire quantum, and early phoenix can be very good to use up FG's spell against creature controls. Just oty one of your phoenix later on and then butterfly the ash!
This however, is also a good idea  :o  I might wanna mull over this one.

But a Fractal seems to conflict with the quintessences.  I mean jeeze, you'd never have enough Aether generation for that.
Nah, there are other option, with the new art on leaf dragon, i might use that  8)

You never fractual early in game, so you have enough time to generate alot of Aether quantum
Early aether are for quint, 3 quint only cost 9, and fractual is 8
17 quantum near the end of the game is no problem (12 of them comes from super nova)

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg47237#msg47237
« Reply #65 on: April 02, 2010, 03:13:50 pm »
First impressions is that I can't really see how the deck does so well. More often than not I'm stuck with no ability to speed up my draws.

Perhaps its my playing style, but I'm not fond of this deck. It can work, but might not be in my hands.

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg47303#msg47303
« Reply #66 on: April 02, 2010, 05:51:49 pm »
First impressions is that I can't really see how the deck does so well. More often than not I'm stuck with no ability to speed up my draws.

Perhaps its my playing style, but I'm not fond of this deck. It can work, but might not be in my hands.
Try the deck, prehaps you are used to the huge time rainbow.
Do read thru most post in the thread tho, I have added, in various occasion, tips I would give while playing the deck

Do come back and ask me if you see some problems

Afterall, I never said its the best or anything, its what I use so I am more then welcome to have feedback!  ^-^

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg47381#msg47381
« Reply #67 on: April 02, 2010, 07:58:53 pm »
I have the same problem as Laxaria has. I seriously thought this was a bug, when I draw literally six supernovas one after the other, but you are sitting there, having quanta for everything, and nothing to play! And i mean, i tried six games against scorpio, ferox, firequeen... and i didn't only lost all of them, i also felt pretty stupid beeing unable to counter any attack... i guess the deck its not that bad, but the feeling of drawing card like hell is missing :'(

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg47392#msg47392
« Reply #68 on: April 02, 2010, 08:11:27 pm »
I have the same problem as Laxaria has. I seriously thought this was a bug, when I draw literally six supernovas one after the other, but you are sitting there, having quanta for everything, and nothing to play! And i mean, i tried six games against scorpio, ferox, firequeen... and i didn't only lost all of them, i also felt pretty stupid beeing unable to counter any attack... i guess the deck its not that bad, but the feeling of drawing card like hell is missing :'(
I only had that happen once, usually I get good enough starting hands and draws

Advise 1: Add 1 hourglass, 1 phase shield
This should help getting an earlier hourglass and phase shield give you 3 "free turns"
Advise 2: Add 3 sun-dial
This also is good because sun-dial helps draw and its a good stall

Try it and see how it goes  ::)

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg47485#msg47485
« Reply #69 on: April 02, 2010, 11:37:00 pm »
So I've been playing a slight modification of this deck for a little while now.

I added 1 improved antimatter and 1 quantum tower.
Statistics are at: http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=3064547624

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg47597#msg47597
« Reply #70 on: April 03, 2010, 03:47:40 am »
First impressions is that I can't really see how the deck does so well. More often than not I'm stuck with no ability to speed up my draws.

Perhaps its my playing style, but I'm not fond of this deck. It can work, but might not be in my hands.
Try the deck, prehaps you are used to the huge time rainbow.
Do read thru most post in the thread tho, I have added, in various occasion, tips I would give while playing the deck

Do come back and ask me if you see some problems

Afterall, I never said its the best or anything, its what I use so I am more then welcome to have feedback!  ^-^
I used to use a 40 card rainbow, which, while bigger, isn't that significantly bigger. The biggest issue for me is how quanta tight the deck is, and it doesn't help when you need an hourglass within the first few cards to match the card drawing of the gods. In fact, more often than not, I don't draw the right cards. Like, I can never seem to draw the permafrost shield, or the SoGs when I need them.

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Re: Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel (v1.21) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4212.msg47658#msg47658
« Reply #71 on: April 03, 2010, 07:21:56 am »
So I've been playing a slight modification of this deck for a little while now.

I added 1 improved antimatter and 1 quantum tower.
Statistics are at: http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=3064547624

How do you have 4 lost against Fire queen 3 against Chaos lord..

I think I have lost to fire queen about 3 or 4 times, but killed him over 40 times
Chaos lord I lost about 2 or 3 times, but killed him over 30 times

Something is not right (prehaps) about your play style

First impressions is that I can't really see how the deck does so well. More often than not I'm stuck with no ability to speed up my draws.

Perhaps its my playing style, but I'm not fond of this deck. It can work, but might not be in my hands.
Try the deck, prehaps you are used to the huge time rainbow.
Do read thru most post in the thread tho, I have added, in various occasion, tips I would give while playing the deck

Do come back and ask me if you see some problems

Afterall, I never said its the best or anything, its what I use so I am more then welcome to have feedback!  ^-^
I used to use a 40 card rainbow, which, while bigger, isn't that significantly bigger. The biggest issue for me is how quanta tight the deck is, and it doesn't help when you need an hourglass within the first few cards to match the card drawing of the gods. In fact, more often than not, I don't draw the right cards. Like, I can never seem to draw the permafrost shield, or the SoGs when I need them.
Well, the size of rainbow depends on more rather a time base / entrophy base. For example, SG's time rainbow in 1.20 will give far better draw then mine. But with 1.21 introduction of auto-mulligen, this is not necessarily the case anymore

I can always draw permafrost shield / mircale / 1-2 SoG very quickly to help me get thru the start of the game usually.

But do look at the suggestions I gave to Ghostalker about, they might help, especially customising the deck towards your own playstyle

 

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