Post by: Faro on September 04, 2012, 10:55:49 am
Deck Helper comment:
This deck was posted before the 1.32 game update and as a result may work very differently now. Use at your own risk.
This deck was posted before the 1.32 game update and as a result may work very differently now. Use at your own risk.
I found this combo used in several decks :
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,42335.msg526927.html#msg526927 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,42335.msg526927.html#msg526927)
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11237.msg138016.html#msg138016 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11237.msg138016.html#msg138016)
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,35658.msg453687.html#msg453687 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,35658.msg453687.html#msg453687)
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31731.msg401345.html#msg401345 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31731.msg401345.html#msg401345)
sorry if some are missing...
but none of them try to make an otk ..! (exept the Drake's one, but without sundials and SoBe there is no way to play the combo)
well, the concept is still the same ... stall with Sundial and draw with SoBe/Preco asap, you can draw the entire deck in 6 turns !
VD + 3RP= 18 damage from RP and 18 from attack = 36 +2PU = 108
Unstoppable for shields.... :P
What do you think?
Post by: Chapuz on September 04, 2012, 11:11:36 am
Here is my unupped version of the deck with it's build progress, it works great in PVP1: http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/OTK_Deckbuilding_Guide_by_Chapuz#Example_1:_Making_a_Voodoo_Doll_OTK
Thanks for the intro btw ;)
Also, you quoted a doll + acceleration + adrenaline deck.
Post by: Faro on September 04, 2012, 11:28:08 am
Do you often manage to stall all the game? PVP2 is pretty fast and I actually don't know how good the SoBrs do it with only 5 Sundials. Also, SoBrs may steal your needed quanta just to draw 1-2 cards. I don't recommend SoBrs in OTKs because of that.
Here is my unupped version of the deck with it's build progress, it works great in PVP1: http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/OTK_Deckbuilding_Guide_by_Chapuz#Example_1:_Making_a_Voodoo_Doll_OTK
Thanks for the intro btw ;)
the most important thing is that SoBr is a spell! with all those SoFo in PVP I would say that is a good choice. (exept against Sanctuary....)
Quanta production is rarely a problem ... 6Nova 2QT 3Pends stand up well 4SoBr, also the only thing to watch is :aether ... the combo is cheap!
you should try it ... it's really fast :P
Also, you quoted a doll + acceleration + adrenaline deck.
+ RP + PU so I think it deserves to be mentioned
Post by: Faro on September 04, 2012, 12:11:34 pm
It's actually fast. I made some tests with this variation, getting all wins with almost all sundial turns.
Unupped sundials because of the mulligan screw, unupped combo because it just does't worth upgrading it.
that was my first try at it ! exept that RP and Dolls must be Upped... :D 15*2*3=90 damage 93 with momentum
but there's a lot of wasted quanta... 3 Preco speed up and are extremely helpful IMO
thanks for the feedback btw!!
I'm thinking about change 3Pends for 3Tower to avoid SoBr problem....
Post by: Chapuz on September 04, 2012, 12:32:14 pm
Crap, wrong code. It was with -1 pendulum +1 PU!It's actually fast. I made some tests with this variation, getting all wins with almost all sundial turns.
Unupped sundials because of the mulligan screw, unupped combo because it just does't worth upgrading it.
that was my first try at it ! exept that RP and Dolls must be Upped... :D 15*2*3=90 damage 93 with momentum
but there's a lot of wasted quanta... 3 Preco speed up and are extremely helpful IMO
thanks for the feedback btw!!
I'm thinking about change 3Pends for 3Tower to avoid SoBr problem....
:fire mark works wonderfully though, definitley better than my fast build! I would replace those QT for 2 more pendulums though-
Post by: Faro on September 05, 2012, 01:22:55 am
:fire mark works wonderfully though, definitley better than my fast build! I would replace those QT for 2 more pendulums though-
QTs are anti-SoFo ;)
Post by: Phoenix on September 05, 2012, 01:24:53 am
Post by: Faro on September 05, 2012, 01:44:53 am
i made a snova version of the 1 deck,however i don't have much time for more testing
it can't work with only 3 EntropyPendulum ?_?.... and maybe unupped sundials are better
Post by: Dhanzig on September 05, 2012, 01:29:50 pm
Post by: Faro on September 05, 2012, 01:43:30 pm
Well I have all the cards for this one and on trying it .... I love it! This is the first deck I've ever taken straight off the forums, cause it looked so fun!
Yes it's fun and fast, I had a 5 turns OTK :o !!
Do you use it for pvp or ai3 ?
Post by: Dhanzig on September 05, 2012, 03:50:50 pm
Yes it's fun and fast, I had a 5 turns OTK :o !!
Do you use it for pvp or ai3 ?
1st game was ai3 to try it ... then all pvp2 ... I've lost only one game - due to an error (but in my defence I was on the phone with a nurse concerning medicines my son took this morning) I had 3 cards left and popped a dial then cast SoBr - D'oh!
I thought a pest / earthquake deck might kill it but I got the jump on quanta early. Great deck - Thumbs up! 8)
Post by: Phoenix on September 05, 2012, 04:10:19 pm
worked perfectly at my testingsi made a snova version of the 1 deck,however i don't have much time for more testing
it can't work with only 3 EntropyPendulum ?_?.... and maybe unupped sundials are better
Post by: Chapuz on September 05, 2012, 07:31:31 pm
With only 3 :entropy and 2 :aether pends you have a high chance of getting no :entropy pends in your opening hand. Late SN in a fast deck like this one can make you lose.worked perfectly at my testingsi made a snova version of the 1 deck,however i don't have much time for more testing
it can't work with only 3 EntropyPendulum ?_?.... and maybe unupped sundials are better
Post by: Faro on September 05, 2012, 07:36:02 pm
worked perfectly at my testingsi made a snova version of the 1 deck,however i don't have much time for more testing
it can't work with only 3 EntropyPendulum ?_?.... and maybe unupped sundials are better
how many turns do you have to wait for your first Supernova if you didn't draw 1 of your 3 Entropy Pend??
Post by: Chapuz on September 05, 2012, 07:38:31 pm
Singularities aren't the problem itself, but late Supernovas can make you discard cards or just don't have :light quanta to draw the Sundial cards.worked perfectly at my testingsi made a snova version of the 1 deck,however i don't have much time for more testing
it can't work with only 3 EntropyPendulum ?_?.... and maybe unupped sundials are better
how many turns do you have to wait for your first Supernova if you didn't draw 1 of your 3 Entropy Pend??
Post by: Faro on September 05, 2012, 07:54:48 pm
Singularities aren't the problem itself, but late Supernovas can make you discard cards or just don't have :light quanta to draw the Sundial cards.worked perfectly at my testingsi made a snova version of the 1 deck,however i don't have much time for more testing[/spoiler]
it can't work with only 3 EntropyPendulum ?_?.... and maybe unupped sundials are better
how many turns do you have to wait for your first Supernova if you didn't draw 1 of your 3 Entropy Pend??
that's the point. For This OTK you need 6 (7 with momentum) cards, discard is a big problem here even if you can play your Sundial for free
Post by: Dhanzig on September 05, 2012, 08:59:53 pm
EDIT .... days later ... This deck kicks ASS ... and is WAY more consistent then the other deck I was using in PvP2 ... Thanks, I really enjoy it 8)
Post by: Faro on September 09, 2012, 01:00:53 am
I'm on a major losing streak ... SoFo is a MoFo ... which we all know ;) Blowing up 3 resources and then BH rapes the deck - let alone 2, 3 or 4 times that. I DID however win an awesome match vs Instosis that basically turned into a draw timing match! SoBr his last card into hand, then played my last dial 8)
EDIT .... days later ... This deck kicks ASS ... and is WAY more consistent then the other deck I was using in PvP2 ... Thanks, I really enjoy it 8)
It realy kicks ass... I am happy that you like it !
Some stats from your PvP ?
Post by: Dhanzig on September 09, 2012, 03:19:16 am
Post by: Faro on September 09, 2012, 11:15:20 am
I never lose except for SoFo and even that's not 100%
Yeah, it's almost SoFo-proof ! the only real problems are SoD >:( and Sanctuary :(
Post by: Dhanzig on September 10, 2012, 03:09:49 pm
Post by: Chapuz on September 10, 2012, 03:11:19 pm
2 sofos is bad ... especially if they get a BH or 2 off ... SoSe is a pain because it can shut down your SoBr's ... and I did in fact lose to a SoD deck (Precog told me he had Miracle ... autoquit lol) Still ... win % is quite high, and it's virtually a sure win vs Pdials and Instosis ... and likely splat too!Miracle isn't autoquit, SoD is!
Post by: Calindu on September 10, 2012, 03:43:57 pm
2 sofos is bad ... especially if they get a BH or 2 off ... SoSe is a pain because it can shut down your SoBr's ... and I did in fact lose to a SoD deck (Precog told me he had Miracle ... autoquit lol) Still ... win % is quite high, and it's virtually a sure win vs Pdials and Instosis ... and likely splat too!
Anyone that's good enough will kill this deck with either PDials or SPlat, SoSac stomps OTKs w/o purify or Antimera combo.
2 sofos is bad ... especially if they get a BH or 2 off ... SoSe is a pain because it can shut down your SoBr's ... and I did in fact lose to a SoD deck (Precog told me he had Miracle ... autoquit lol) Still ... win % is quite high, and it's virtually a sure win vs Pdials and Instosis ... and likely splat too!Miracle isn't autoquit, SoD is!
If you can take a round of damage you can attempt a 2TK, but Miracle+SoD stops this.
Post by: Faro on September 11, 2012, 12:45:21 am
2 sofos is bad ... especially if they get a BH or 2 off ... SoSe is a pain because it can shut down your SoBr's ... and I did in fact lose to a SoD deck (Precog told me he had Miracle ... autoquit lol) Still ... win % is quite high, and it's virtually a sure win vs Pdials and Instosis ... and likely splat too!
SoFo is a problem only for the sundials, because not all the player will BH you untill you make some damage.....
and even if it were, you can resist up to 2 BH (if QT helps you...) , only the third is a quit IMO.
edited the OP with - 1 Eather Pend + 1 Eather Tower.
Do you think it is more balanced now ?
Post by: Dhanzig on September 11, 2012, 04:29:36 am
2 sofos is bad ... especially if they get a BH or 2 off ... SoSe is a pain because it can shut down your SoBr's ... and I did in fact lose to a SoD deck (Precog told me he had Miracle ... autoquit lol) Still ... win % is quite high, and it's virtually a sure win vs Pdials and Instosis ... and likely splat too!Miracle isn't autoquit, SoD is!
That's just it ... I tried to go TTK due to the SoDs but precog'd and saw the miracle
Anyone that's good enough will kill this deck with either PDials or SPlat, SoSac stomps OTKs w/o purify or Antimera combo.
I have yet to face anyone good enough...
Post by: Faro on January 05, 2013, 08:29:20 pm
I think it is faster and more reliable with this patch