Post by: linkfung on September 07, 2010, 07:54:10 am
?? = Voodoo Doll
The aim of this deck is to be quick (yes! not only win quick, you lose quick :D) against false god, while at the same time, it is fun.
For most decks out there which against false gods, you have a full table of creatures, and it is actually very laggy for slower computers, moreover, the game always last very long.
I have just finished writing up the individual strategy against each god.
http://elementswiki.co.cc/decks/anti-false-gold-voodoo/ (http://elementswiki.co.cc/decks/anti-false-gold-voodoo/)
Please make sure you read the guides before using the deck, the strategy is far different from what you use when playing normal decks.
I am going to investigate further on using Improved Antimatter with the deck to see if it increase the winning rate~
Alternative Build
?? = Entropy Quantum and Voodoo Doll
Thanks to many people's suggestions, and I have tested it out for a few games, and I found that it works quite good as well.
Video added, click below to see this deck in ACTION!
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stat for the test I run on 21 Sept 2010, 40 total games (using Aether Tower Deck)
| False God | Win | Lose |
| Gravition | 1 | 1 |
| Rainbow | 0 | 3 |
| Neptune | 1 | 1 |
| Eldinis | 1 | 1 |
| Hermes | 1 | 3 |
| Morte | 0 | 1 |
| Eternal Phoneix | 0 | 2 |
| Obliterator | 1 | 2 |
| Octane | 0 | 2 |
| Paradox | 3 | 0 |
| Decay | 0 | 3 |
| Miracle | 1 | 1 |
| Divine Glory | 1 | 2 |
| Dream Catcher | 0 | 2 |
| Seism | 1 | 0 |
| Osiris | 1 | 0 |
| Destiny | 1 | 0 |
| Scopio | 0 | 1 |
| Gemini | 1 | 0 |
| Total | 14 | 26 |
| Percentage | 0.35 | 0.65 |
Post by: Higurashi on September 07, 2010, 11:07:15 am
Post by: linkfung on September 08, 2010, 02:06:59 am
Well, I can certainly see that Arsenic getting stolen/exploded a lot. Only a problem when stolen, of course. Other than that, it's indeed pretty quick to play in theory. It's just that it takes a bit of time to calculate when to TU. Still probably pretty fast. It's also a fun strategy.You are right, instead, stolen has no huge problem at all, as voodoo + basilisk blood can stop weapon with ease. However you still get 4 damage + 1 poison, but not that important in this quick strategy.
Instead Arsenic is added recently after some testing, actually it works very well with the deck, there were several times I missed the kill by opponent having less than 20 life when I didn't have Arsenic, there are many tools you can add to help with these, but weapon seems to be best, you can add any damage source instead. Also arsenic helps quite a lot especially when you face false gods with feral bonds, doing much better than other weapons.
Post by: Higurashi on September 08, 2010, 06:44:37 am
Post by: pookie1337 on September 08, 2010, 07:58:44 am
Put it on CRACK
Code: [Select]
6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6ve 6ve 6ve 6ve 71a 74d 74d 74d 77l 77l 77l 77l 77l 77l 7qb 7qb 7qb 7qb 7tg 7tg 7tg 80b 80b 80b?? x4: Entropy Pendulum?? x3: Voodoo Doll
*Omgwtffirstturnbuffedvoodoodolls*
Post by: Nume on September 08, 2010, 08:01:47 am
Post by: pookie1337 on September 08, 2010, 08:04:12 am
I loved how fast that deck shat damage onto the board, rofl.
Post by: Nume on September 08, 2010, 08:13:10 am
Post by: Nume on September 08, 2010, 08:49:02 am
Post by: Fallower on September 08, 2010, 03:37:37 pm
But I've tried the deck and its really fun. :D I think sundials are better than precogs; stalling is beneficial to this deck, what better than to lower the number of cards in the deck at the same time? An electrocuter seems much better than an arsenic though... to remove momentum and stuff? Also, it won't affect you much if the opponent steals it... Replacing a sundial with a mirror shield may also help...
Post by: Nume on September 08, 2010, 06:18:15 pm
Eh, a better deck name would have been nice. :)I actually use the version with the entropy pendelums, with 3 sundails, no precogs, 1 electrocutor, and an extra TU (no arsenic). Seems to work better imo.
But I've tried the deck and its really fun. :D I think sundials are better than precogs; stalling is beneficial to this deck, what better than to lower the number of cards in the deck at the same time? An electrocuter seems much better than an arsenic though... to remove momentum and stuff? Also, it won't affect you much if the opponent steals it... Replacing a sundial with a mirror shield may also help...
Post by: linkfung on September 09, 2010, 03:29:03 am
Eh, a better deck name would have been nice. :)Maybe someone can think of a better name for this? :P I have used up my creativity :D
But I've tried the deck and its really fun. :D I think sundials are better than precogs; stalling is beneficial to this deck, what better than to lower the number of cards in the deck at the same time? An electrocuter seems much better than an arsenic though... to remove momentum and stuff? Also, it won't affect you much if the opponent steals it... Replacing a sundial with a mirror shield may also help...
Also feel free to adjust according to your needs, I have added some possible cards you may want to switch with the deck in the Wiki.
E.g. electrocutor, and more TU
However I found myself always meet quantum lacking issue, that's why I just keep it simple in the deck posted.
Post by: Fallower on September 09, 2010, 04:34:06 am
I actually use the version with the entropy pendelums, with 3 sundails, no precogs, 1 electrocutor, and an extra TU (no arsenic). Seems to work better imo.Sounds good, but the sad thing is that the deck is really too dependent on the supernovas. If you dont get them within the first three turns you have to discard. :( If you add entrophy pendulums you'll have to hope for both the pendulums and supernovas, which may be a little risky? But the additional aether quantum allows for the electrocuter I guess, I'll test your deck a bit...
Maybe someone can think of a better name for this? :P I have used up my creativity :DxD The poor false gods are being laughed at now. Something like Voodoofying False Gods mebbe? I'm not good at thinking up names either.
Also feel free to adjust according to your needs, I have added some possible cards you may want to switch with the deck in the Wiki.
E.g. electrocutor, and more TU
However I found myself always meet quantum lacking issue, that's why I just keep it simple in the deck posted.
Your wiki is really good, looks like you took a lot of time to write it. I liked the 'friend' thing you used, it was quite funny. :P I guess the deck really needs more quantum because it relies mainly on supernovas... you need at least 2 to use the combo effectively, which is sometimes hard to get. I can't think of many cards which would help this deck now, but its still currently a good and fast god killer. :D
Post by: Nume on September 09, 2010, 05:20:31 am
It doesnt actually increase waiting much, because with the auto mulligan your chances of getting a first turn pendelum are over 90 percent. Honestly if I dont start with a pendelum, unless its a super easy god I just quit, because its not worth waiting. As far as the snovas go, yes you do need one early but with 6 in deck you get that pretty often generally. Also, just 1 is enough to power almost everything you need for a good while, so its not as bad as it seems. The only need for more is to speed up aether gain and to let you play extra voodoo dolls and more than 2 basilisk blood (which you do eventually need but not early).I actually use the version with the entropy pendelums, with 3 sundails, no precogs, 1 electrocutor, and an extra TU (no arsenic). Seems to work better imo.Sounds good, but the sad thing is that the deck is really too dependent on the supernovas. If you dont get them within the first three turns you have to discard. :( If you add entrophy pendulums you'll have to hope for both the pendulums and supernovas, which may be a little risky? But the additional aether quantum allows for the electrocuter I guess, I'll test your deck a bit...
Post by: jmizzle7 on September 09, 2010, 05:42:09 am
Post by: Nume on September 09, 2010, 07:49:28 am
Post by: jmizzle7 on September 09, 2010, 08:05:23 am
Post by: linkfung on September 09, 2010, 08:38:37 am
Yep, I tested it a bit more and came to the same conclusion. The ability to rip through your deck is nice, but the ability to not die is even better (imagine that). :)Yes, actually Sundials are useful because they save your life for one round (if not destroyed), which gives one 1 draw for the next round, and 1 draw from the ability, which is a total of 2 cards drawn
Post by: Nume on September 10, 2010, 04:19:36 am
Post by: Fallower on September 10, 2010, 07:54:10 am
Post by: Baily18 on September 11, 2010, 09:57:36 pm
Decay, Dark Matter, and Scorpio are autoquits
Rainbow is fairly easy
Post by: Fallower on September 12, 2010, 02:56:39 am
Post by: linkfung on September 12, 2010, 03:02:22 am
Post by: squishyone on September 13, 2010, 07:18:56 pm
Post by: Fallower on September 14, 2010, 05:40:01 am
Post by: squishyone on September 14, 2010, 02:01:03 pm
Post by: Fallower on September 14, 2010, 03:06:20 pm
Post by: squishyone on September 14, 2010, 03:27:58 pm
Okay, I finally won a game against Neptune with this deck but the win rate for today so far is 7.69%
Post by: linkfung on September 14, 2010, 04:09:30 pm
Yes that is exactly how I played the deck. I just went through 10 losses in a row with this deck as it is listed.It seems you are a bit out of luck.
Okay, I finally won a game against Neptune with this deck but the win rate for today so far is 7.69%
Anyway, I have added a video on how to use this deck in order to clear some confusion, and to help people who may not be interested to read through my notes.
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In the video I played 4 games in a row. Luckily I won 3 of them, and the remaining one is almost win
Hope that helps
Post by: Baily18 on September 14, 2010, 06:27:14 pm
I've been monkeying around with this deck idea in the trainer and tried a few different variants. Looking at an 8% win rate against FGs in the primary posted format. Not much of a deviation from that with some mods done to the deck. Highest win rate this morning was 9.5%.Youre not playing it right, or you are really unlucky with your matchups.
Post by: Fallower on September 16, 2010, 10:51:29 am
You can also post the deck http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10973.12.html here so it doesn't die. :P
Post by: Seravy on September 16, 2010, 12:44:32 pm
Yay for cards doing random unexpected stuff AGAIN.
And yes, I know that the opponent will take damage if you copy a doll with less than full health, which I also found strange and unreasonable.
More importantly...how am I supposed to kill a god with this if they heal back the same as the damage they do by having more feral bonds than the creatures they play have attack... same question for gods using Miracle...or am I supposed to win by making 3-4 copies of a damaged doll and abuse that bug?
Oh well, I think this deck is not meant for me.
Post by: Higurashi on September 16, 2010, 01:03:38 pm
PS, it's not a bug. Yes, you preferably kill them in one turn.
Post by: linkfung on September 16, 2010, 03:38:14 pm
You changed the name again!haha, changed the name as I found I don't like the old one :P
You can also post the deck http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10973.12.html here so it doesn't die. :P
thanks for your suggestion, just posted the deck there
Post by: Seravy on September 18, 2010, 07:53:11 am
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That's because Gravity Pull can only be inflicted on one creature per side at a time.Is that a game rule? Since when? Why? Whatever.
This makes Gravity Pull waaaaay less useful as a way to protect yourself, then.
Imagine having 2x Armagios, and an opponent with 50 total damage from creatures, and you having 15 life... Thanks to this stupid rule, you'll die even if you could otherwise handle the damage for a turn which might be enough to win.
Yes, it's easier to code this than a way to distribute damage amongst multiple creatures with gravity pull properly, but come on! Game rules shouldn't be decided based on what is easier or harder to code, it should be decided based on how it plays better and how it is easier to understand and more logical.
Besides, with this kind of behavior, if my opponent plays a Gravity pull of his own on one of my small creatures, he can bypass my armagio/doll whatever I want to take the damage, and kill me. (Not with this deck, but in one that has other creatures he could)
Post by: Nume on September 18, 2010, 08:25:41 am
Post by: Fallower on September 18, 2010, 09:16:41 am
You posted the first version! xDYou changed the name again!haha, changed the name as I found I don't like the old one :P
You can also post the deck http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10973.12.html here so it doesn't die. :P
thanks for your suggestion, just posted the deck there
But anyway, if gravity pull could split the attack equally, it'll be very difficult to counter, since the opponent needs to kill more than one target in order to damage the player; EG You have to rewind all gravity pulled creatures instead of just one.
Post by: Higurashi on September 18, 2010, 09:43:36 am
Yes, it is. It's worked like that since the status was invented as far as I know. Why? Because it makes sense. Gravity Pull is both a defensive measure and the single most powerful way of destroying one creature. Imagine two or more creatures having gravity pull. Either the enemy's creatures would be hovering between the two, making them useless, or the gravity pull would be too weak to stop anything, and the creatures would attack the elemental.QuoteThat's because Gravity Pull can only be inflicted on one creature per side at a time.Is that a game rule? Since when? Why? Whatever.
This makes Gravity Pull waaaaay less useful as a way to protect yourself, then.
Imagine having 2x Armagios, and an opponent with 50 total damage from creatures, and you having 15 life... Thanks to this stupid rule, you'll die even if you could otherwise handle the damage for a turn which might be enough to win.
Yes, it's easier to code this than a way to distribute damage amongst multiple creatures with gravity pull properly, but come on! Game rules shouldn't be decided based on what is easier or harder to code, it should be decided based on how it plays better and how it is easier to understand and more logical.
Besides, with this kind of behavior, if my opponent plays a Gravity pull of his own on one of my small creatures, he can bypass my armagio/doll whatever I want to take the damage, and kill me. (Not with this deck, but in one that has other creatures he could)
I don't think it has anything to do with coding. It'd be easy to add another target, but that's not how the card is supposed to work. Mainly because it would be a bit too powerful as CC if it did.
Yes, he could change the GP target if he needed to. Costs him a card, and would rarely be a scenario where it matters. Also never seen CPU do that. I think they're pleased as long as one creature on your board is GP'd.
On the flip side, I actually find it useful when it comes to defence. It means you can switch between Armagios without killing one of them when it's low on HP. With Guardian Angels/Archangels, you can then heal the one that's lower on health. Had both kept the GP status, the one with lower HP would have been lost forever.
Post by: Baily18 on September 18, 2010, 02:28:07 pm
Decay 0-2(autoquit)
Scorpio 0-2
Dreamcatcher 2-2
Elidnis 1-1
Rainbow 3-1
Dark Matter 0-1(Autoquit)
Incarnate 0-1(Doable but horrible hand)
Ferox 0-2(outrushed)
Graviton 0-1
Miracle 1-0
Graviton 0-1
Divine Glory 2-0
Paradox 2-0
Gemini 0-2
Eternal Phoenix 0-2
Destiny 1-1
Fire Queen 0-1
Morte 0-1(Stupid Miracle.)
Neptune 0-2
Octane 0-1
Obliterator 1-0
12-24
or 12/36
33.33%
Post by: $$$man on September 18, 2010, 03:28:05 pm
:P i havent been able to play much, so these are the stats i collected so far:32% is pretty good considering how fast the games are.
Decay 0-2(autoquit)
Scorpio 0-2
Dreamcatcher 0-2
Elidnis 1-1
Rainbow 3-1
Dark Matter 0-1(Autoquit)
Incarnate 0-1(Doable but horrible hand)
Ferox 0-2(outrushed)
Graviton 0-1
Miracle 1-0
Graviton 0-1
Divine Glory 2-0
Paradox 1-0
Gemini 0-1
Eternal Phoenix 0-1
Destiny 0-1(methinks its an autoquit due to rewinds)
8-17
or 8/25
for 32% so far
Post by: Baily18 on September 18, 2010, 09:32:33 pm
Post by: Klaymore on September 18, 2010, 11:17:00 pm
Post by: Fallower on September 19, 2010, 03:30:36 am
Post by: Baily18 on September 19, 2010, 12:48:05 pm
Edit: Updating stats. :P 32% atm
Post by: linkfung on September 19, 2010, 02:18:09 pm
:P i havent been able to play much, so these are the stats i collected so far:AI will not rewind voodoo doll at the moment, at least 100% no if your voodoo doll is stopped (with basilisk blood)
Decay 0-2(autoquit)
Scorpio 0-2
Dreamcatcher 0-2
Elidnis 1-1
Rainbow 3-1
Dark Matter 0-1(Autoquit)
Incarnate 0-1(Doable but horrible hand)
Ferox 0-2(outrushed)
Graviton 0-1
Miracle 1-0
Graviton 0-1
Divine Glory 2-0
Paradox 1-0
Gemini 0-1
Eternal Phoenix 0-1
Destiny 0-1(methinks its an autoquit due to rewinds)
8-17
or 8/25
for 32% so far
the only effect which AI will use on stopped voodoo doll at the moment is Improve from what I know
Post by: linkfung on September 19, 2010, 02:20:42 pm
O, I intentionally put the first version. Instead I haven't fully tested the new version yet (only tried less than 10 games), I just put it there for an official alternative such that people can try it out ;DYou posted the first version! xDYou changed the name again!haha, changed the name as I found I don't like the old one :P
You can also post the deck http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10973.12.html here so it doesn't die. :P
thanks for your suggestion, just posted the deck there
But anyway, if gravity pull could split the attack equally, it'll be very difficult to counter, since the opponent needs to kill more than one target in order to damage the player; EG You have to rewind all gravity pulled creatures instead of just one.
Post by: linkfung on September 19, 2010, 02:26:04 pm
The sad thing is that the deck gets boring after a while, since you're essentially just doing the same combo over and over again...Instead this hand is slightly "better" than other anti FG decks in terms of less boring, there are still games which I found I can make better choices (earlier/later TU/sundails) which can actually make me win a game which I lose. However, this is also meaning that it is difficult to use the deck in the best way, haha :P
Post by: Baily18 on September 19, 2010, 02:58:02 pm
AI will not rewind voodoo doll at the moment, at least 100% no if your voodoo doll is stopped (with basilisk blood)Really? :O Mine got rewinded o.0 Anyways the version im testing with is the first deck +1 Mind Flayer(Helps alot vs DC and if gotten out early can probably stall destinies Eggs and Druids.
the only effect which AI will use on stopped voodoo doll at the moment is Improve from what I know
Post by: Fallower on September 19, 2010, 02:59:40 pm
Post by: linkfung on September 19, 2010, 03:14:53 pm
Not with the rewind spells anyway... If he has an eternity he may rewind the card...Eternity was stopped by basilisk blood, so I dunno whether he would rewind me with it if I didn't
Post by: Baily18 on September 19, 2010, 10:32:25 pm
Post by: linkfung on September 20, 2010, 04:00:32 am
^ Hmm... After more testing it seems that Destiny rewinds the un gravity pulled Voodoos, but not the buffed up ones. Maybe because it sees grav pull as a negative effect?Yes, seems so~
Post by: Baily18 on September 20, 2010, 08:30:19 pm
Decay 0-3(autoquit)
Scorpio 0-2
Dreamcatcher 2-3
Elidnis 1-1
Rainbow 4-1
Dark Matter 0-1(Autoquit)
Incarnate 2-2(Doable but horrible hand)
Ferox 0-2(outrushed)
Graviton 0-1
Miracle 1-0
Graviton 0-1
Divine Glory 2-1(everything i needed, except voodo in that loss)
Paradox 2-0
Gemini 0-2
Eternal Phoenix 0-3
Destiny 1-1
Fire Queen 1-1
Morte 0-1(Stupid Miracle.)
Neptune 0-2
Octane 0-2(autoquit)
Obliterator 1-0
16-28
16/44
36.36%
after some frustation from a bunch of bad draws and matchups, i suddenly started to win more again :P
Some things i noticed:
sometimes you have to discard a few cards
you need about 3 super novas to fuel
better to go second it seems
Mind Flayer can help alot sometimes
keep a basilik for weapons(made this mistake a few times)
once you start that combo there is no going back, so make sure you can deal enough damage.
Post by: Fallower on September 21, 2010, 12:01:53 am
Or when my hand if clogged with gravity pulls. D:
Post by: linkfung on September 21, 2010, 02:04:05 am
These are my stats,Thanks a lot for providing us with stat
Decay 0-3(autoquit)
Scorpio 0-2
Dreamcatcher 2-3
Elidnis 1-1
Rainbow 4-1
Dark Matter 0-1(Autoquit)
Incarnate 2-2(Doable but horrible hand)
Ferox 0-2(outrushed)
Graviton 0-1
Miracle 1-0
Graviton 0-1
Divine Glory 2-1(everything i needed, except voodo in that loss)
Paradox 2-0
Gemini 0-2
Eternal Phoenix 0-3
Destiny 1-1
Fire Queen 1-1
Morte 0-1(Stupid Miracle.)
Neptune 0-2
Octane 0-2(autoquit)
Obliterator 1-0
16-28
16/44
36.36%
after some frustation from a bunch of bad draws and matchups, i suddenly started to win more again :P
Some things i noticed:
sometimes you have to discard a few cards
you need about 3 super novas to fuel
better to go second it seems
Mind Flayer can help alot sometimes
keep a basilik for weapons(made this mistake a few times)
once you start that combo there is no going back, so make sure you can deal enough damage.
I am not sure whether you have visit my page in elements wiki (which I have mentioned in my post), I have posted strategies like keeping basilisk blood etc.
Also I found that there is 2 "Gravition 0-1" in your list, should it be 0-2 or duplicate counted? :D, just FYI
Maybe I would try to record my win/lose stat as well later (I have played elements for a few weeks ;))
Instead for gods like Incarnate, Gravition, there are god-specific tactics which you can adopt, which I have included in my wiki page as well.
(according to a friend of mine, he found the winning % quite high against Gravition, due to the specific tactic)
Post by: harry959 on September 21, 2010, 02:53:09 am
Post by: Fallower on September 21, 2010, 03:21:10 am
Oh, and octane shouldn't be an autoquit, hes quite easy if you spam sundials to draws all your good cards and let the eagle eyes attack the voodoos. Just make sure you have a good hand with a pendulum and a supernovas at the start.
Post by: linkfung on September 21, 2010, 05:55:30 am
Looks like an interesting deck idea, but please, does there have to be a new rainbow deck every few days? I can see why Zanz is upset about how rainbows have taken over the game.haha, I agree, it is a pity that rainbow decks have taken over the game, however most colors do not have enough self-synergies, especially against false gods. Also it is due to the powerful cards like Nova/SuperNova, Shards, Quantum Tower.
I think it is the game which suggesting us to go multi-color, e.g. I dunno how to run an effective voodoo deck with only 2 colors~
Post by: Fallower on September 21, 2010, 09:44:07 am
Basilisk Blood needs :earth
Voodoo doll needs :darkness
Twin universe needs :aether
Gravity force needs :gravity
D: There's no choice but to make this deck multicolored!
Post by: artagas on October 13, 2010, 10:03:36 am
I have particularily a hard time vs:
- anybody who can do momentum, unstoppable etc. they just go right through my doll and kill me before i can do enough harm with the combo.
- mass posioning, scorpion mostly
(and yeah i did read the strategy for each guy on the wiki page)
My question is if this deck would work partially upgraded? Like say 10 upped cards, or 8.
What would be the minimum number of ups to make it effective? Which would be the first cards you up?
Thanks for advice.
Post by: twinsbuster on October 13, 2010, 10:17:55 am
Post by: Higurashi on October 13, 2010, 11:47:28 am
Of course, being slower to set up would be disastrous in many matchups for this deck.
I think it is the game which suggesting us to go multi-color, e.g. I dunno how to run an effective voodoo deck with only 2 colors~If by effective, you mean able to take on Fake Gods with a decent win ratio, then yeah, that's not feasible. Outside of that, Rage Potions work splendidly with these guys, and so do Parasites (need :death, but only as Mark, so that's a mono).
Post by: linkfung on October 17, 2010, 09:02:39 am
Hey, i just tried this deck a bit in the trainer and its really a lot of fun. My winrate was around 30% which is i guess OK, altough i was doing more with other upped decks.My personal suggested partially upgraded deck in wiki - which is 5 supernova + 2-4 Basilisk blood
I have particularily a hard time vs:
- anybody who can do momentum, unstoppable etc. they just go right through my doll and kill me before i can do enough harm with the combo.
- mass posioning, scorpion mostly
(and yeah i did read the strategy for each guy on the wiki page)
My question is if this deck would work partially upgraded? Like say 10 upped cards, or 8.
What would be the minimum number of ups to make it effective? Which would be the first cards you up?
Thanks for advice.
Post by: linkfung on October 17, 2010, 09:04:44 am
It would work with just the novas and some Basilisk Blood upped, yes. Go Novas, BB, Gravity Force, pillars, Parallel Universe.To combo with parasite, seems it is much better if using a pure poison deck (why use 2 cards to do something which can be done with 1?)
Of course, being slower to set up would be disastrous in many matchups for this deck.I think it is the game which suggesting us to go multi-color, e.g. I dunno how to run an effective voodoo deck with only 2 colors~If by effective, you mean able to take on Fake Gods with a decent win ratio, then yeah, that's not feasible. Outside of that, Rage Potions work splendidly with these guys, and so do Parasites (need :death, but only as Mark, so that's a mono).
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