Veens Vicious Viotech/ VVV (upgraded FG Killer, for score and electrum, 95% EM)

[siks]

Thanks for posting the deck - I had fun with it.
I added a spine carapace and I have the feeling it improved the winrate quite a bit. before I had a couple of games where I got the afla too slow and too many slots were already taken so it helped quite a bit to be able to empty them again.

[Calindu]

I think you need to change vamp dagger with pulvy/eternity and add in a miracle.

[Veen]

I think you need to change vamp dagger with pulvy/eternity and add in a miracle.

I have tried both, but the pulvy isnt really needed, since you have a chimera and there arent really any other permanents to worry about. The only one I can think of is the catapults from Osiris, but you would need your pulvy early then, which isnt likely with one.

Also the eternity isnt very useful, since cells are generated at the end of the opponents turn, giving him the chance to play another creature, which every FG does, because they always have the quanta for it. It could be useful vs golems, firemaster and such, ill give you that, but it also uses a lot of time quanta, which is needed for your hourglasses.

Ive never needed a miracle, except in early game, but you wouldnt have the quanta for it anyway.

Come to think of it, I will do a bit of testing with an EE instead of a dagger. *Tested and doesnt work, dagger is the way to go*

[Jocko]

I like the deck, i've wanted to use vultures for FGs since afla got released. Still, i don't get why not a LS instead of heal.
Chimera + LS is definetly a more secure way to reach the final EM.

[Essence]

Simple -- Heal lets you cast the card before you fractal the condors, which means the difference between 6 condors and 5 condors on the field when you RoF.  If you have only 5 condors down, you MUST kill 19 creatures with your RoF in order to kill the FG (assuming he has no shields).  If the enemy manages to put down only 4 creatures with 4 or more HP, you cannot win if you go the LS route.

The benefit from EMing doesn't make up for the penalty from losing more often.

[the_unknown]

Simple -- Heal lets you cast the card before you fractal the condors, which means the difference between 6 condors and 5 condors on the field when you RoF.  If you have only 5 condors down, you MUST kill 19 creatures with your RoF in order to kill the FG (assuming he has no shields).  If the enemy manages to put down only 4 creatures with 4 or more HP, you cannot win if you go the LS route.

The benefit from EMing doesn't make up for the penalty from losing more often.

I think you've forgotten chimera passes through shields, it has momentum

[Thiefboy109]

I think you need to change vamp dagger with pulvy/eternity and add in a miracle.

I have tried both, but the pulvy isnt really needed, since you have a chimera and there arent really any other permanents to worry about. The only one I can think of is the catapults from Osiris, but you would need your pulvy early then, which isnt likely with one.

Also the eternity isnt very useful, since cells are generated at the end of the opponents turn, giving him the chance to play another creature, which every FG does, because they always have the quanta for it. It could be useful vs golems, firemaster and such, ill give you that, but it also uses a lot of time quanta, which is needed for your hourglasses.

Ive never needed a miracle, except in early game, but you wouldnt have the quanta for it anyway.

Come to think of it, I will do a bit of testing with an EE instead of a dagger.

Just mentioning... you use Eternity on your own creature to avoid deckout.

[ralouf]

This deck is just pure fun

[Sevs]

Thank you essence for leading me here. this deck works really well for gold league

[gumbeh]

So far, this deck works FAR better for me when the Oracle shouts "Incoming Scorpio!" than CCYB does. I tweak this deck and CCYB to have 4 purifies when vs Scorpio, of course, but tweaked VVV (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,9611.msg385073#msg385073) still works better than tweaked CCYB in my experience so far.

[gumbeh]

Doing some preliminary play with your deck to familiarize myself with it before doing a dead run of 100 games. Also, I thought I had all the necessary cards but found I was one QT short, so farming up the necessary cash to upgrade it seemed like an excellent goal for a short practice run.

I feel that my W/L stats can be trusted as the difference between a single QT being a QP shouldn't matter much. However my speed/efficiency numbers should be much better in the real run as I won't be watching Jon Stewart.

deck	VVV (almost)
players	Gumbeh

version	1.283		win-rate	53.33%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	n.a.
games	15		Score/h	455
win-loss-(EM)	8-7-(4)		Score/h (n)	n.a.
time (h:m:s)	01:19:14		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	2824
min/game	05:17		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	n.a.

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%

[Veen]

Hey, thanks for the quickstart on this. I was hoping to get some testers on it. And kirchj33 told me he was trying to arrange that.

If you go for the full test, you should defenitely not watch Jon Stewart in the meantime Id like to get an accurate test done. Also the QT is important.