Veens Vicious Viotech/ VVV (upgraded FG Killer, for score and electrum, 95% EM)

[Genuinous]

I meant you should include a winrate separately and not just hidden in a spoiler.... Also if you could organize the table it'd be really helpful
The deck looks good and you might suggest it in the FG Efficiency Study (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,25609.0.html)

[Essence]

Deck is good.  Slow, with a winrate about equivalent to some faster FG decks, so not going on my list of killer FG decks, but it's quite fun and rewarding to pull off the combo at the end.

It looks slow, but really its faster than CCYB, because you can draw heavily.

And thank you

Hmm, maybe I'm just having back luck drawing Hourglasses.  I'll keep playing with it and report back in a few days.

[Veen]

Well, I read about normalizing stats and that kind of stuff and my mind started spinning. I was never really good at statistics, so I just put up the numbers

Haha the table is a mess isnt it? Ill see if I can fix it.

[Genuinous]

Try using STATMASTA (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21654.0.html)
Also you could try and copy the FG sheet and just fill in your results

[Essence]

OK, not to be a jerk about it, but VVV has the same amount of Hourglasses as CCYB, but has more cards and a slower kill condition.  There is no "you draw more cards", because on average CCYB will draw their Hourglasses sooner and then reach the bottom of the deck faster because of it AND because of the fewer overall cards.  So, no, this deck is not faster than CCYB.  Both testing and simple observation and rational reasoning bear this out.

[macgawel]

OK, not to be a jerk about it, but VVV has the same amount of Hourglasses as CCYB, but has more cards and a slower kill condition.  There is no "you draw more cards", because on average CCYB will draw their Hourglasses sooner and then reach the bottom of the deck faster because of it AND because of the fewer overall cards.  So, no, this deck is not faster than CCYB.  Both testing and simple observation and rational reasoning bear this out.

Testing, perhaps.
But reasoning, I'm not sure...
With CCYB, you have to stop draw cards or you'll deck out. With this deck you don't care about deckout since you want the OTK combo.

[Veen]

OK, not to be a jerk about it, but VVV has the same amount of Hourglasses as CCYB, but has more cards and a slower kill condition.  There is no "you draw more cards", because on average CCYB will draw their Hourglasses sooner and then reach the bottom of the deck faster because of it AND because of the fewer overall cards.  So, no, this deck is not faster than CCYB.  Both testing and simple observation and rational reasoning bear this out.

Im sorry you feel that way as it isnt my observation and feeling with the deck and as Macgawel already pointed out, you can continue drawing, thats why. So your rational reasoning needs a bit of tweaking

Also to add, you dont have to use the second aflatoxin, so you discard that.

[Genuinous]

I suggest a 200 test with recording of length of games (use statmasta)
Instead of arguing about potentials let's see the facts

[Essence]

This deck is a near-perfect counter to Gemini.  Just saying.

[einish]

great deck wow
I added a four upped Sundials for stalling

[the_unknown]

To me it looks like you could use more death quanta what I'd say is throw in a couple of soulcatchers and also a liquid shadow for better easier EMs

[Veen]

To me it looks like you could use more death quanta what I'd say is throw in a couple of soulcatchers and also a liquid shadow for better easier EMs

I tried LS with when I was tweaking it, but the heal works better. Also soulcatchers are not needed.