Upgraded Rainbow (Bronze arena)

[neonshadow123]

Hey guys so I have been thinking about the normal 30 card rule. Most decks for grinding bronze are 30 cards big. This is to insure good starting hand, not to many un-necessary cards, good overall "flow" of the deck. These decks are often times rush decks with good TTW and if its good, an amazing win % too. So for the past few days I have been playing around with decks that break the 30 card rule to see if switching to something with more cards can actually make a deck better for grinding bronze arena. Now don't get me wrong, I think 30 card rush decks are amazing, I use them all the time. They are super good for grinding and bringing your score up. I would always recommend someone new to the game to first upgrade a 30 card rush deck. This deck that I made is just a test, it is not perfect, there are quite a few changes that I am going to make in the future. But for now I just wanted to test breaking the 30 card rule for myself.

Here is the deck:

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So there it is at first look you might see a few problems, no shields is the main problem, I was debating putting an improved fog shield in but decided against it. But now that I have played this deck for a while I found that having 1 or 2 shields would be amazing. Switching a Giant Frog out for a Forest Spirit would also be beneficial. There are quite a few differences that I will be making. But with the deck as is I played 34 games and came up with these stats:

Games 34 Wins 32 Losses 2 EM 3 Cards won 15 Special Spin Cards Won 6 Average TTW 8 Win Rate 94%

Not to bad for a deck with a lot of problems. The 2 games that I lost was because, you guessed it, a bad starting hand. With this many cards getting a perfect or even near perfect hand is almost impossible. Many games I won with less then 20 hp. Now if this was pvp or even silver arena this would fail because this deck would get out rushed. But bronze is special because most of the decks in there are crap. Now just to touch up on those stats, the ttw will be different each time you test this deck because lots of the games I played against decks with 1 hp, but also lots of the games I played against people with 150+ hp. I have no idea if this deck would work vs AI3, and I would guess that it would suck. But that will be for a later date.

I would love to hear some thoughts on this, I am mostly posting this as an idea, and I know that some of you will think that it is stupid (and it probably is) but I was just playing around with the idea of a deck with more then 30 cards. Thanks-

[Solaris]

Ultimately, if you're in the position where you want to grind Bronze, ideally you only want to upgrade 30 cards, not 45.

[neonshadow123]

Ultimately, if you're in the position where you want to grind Bronze, ideally you only want to upgrade 30 cards, not 45.

Hmm, did not even think of that. Definitely true. 

[Higurashi]

Bigger deck = more tools (stall) = better winrate but lower TTW. Your increased size does not appear to present more useful tools against Bronze to increase either TTW or winrate. If I wanted better winrate, I'd pack the likes of Bone Wall, Otys, Eagle's Eye and Pulvy with Animate Weapons, and Phase Shields. The Heal usage wants for a Miracle so you also get EM's, or you swap the Heal for a Sanctuary to both protect your quanta and grant EM's.

An example would be the Triple Double in this thread: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/deck-compilations/the-quest-to-em-silver-fast/
There I'm trading speed for EM's and a bit of winrate over the standard Wing Snovabows that are widely used against Silver. A bigger (slower) Snovabow definitely wants to aim for Silver, Gold, HB's or even Plat/FG's, just because games take about as long but offer much better rewards. Especially right now you'll see Silver and Plat being worth a LOT more than the other two leagues due to people playing Bronze and Gold too much (more plays lower the win reward amount).

[neonshadow123]

Bigger deck = more tools (stall) = better winrate but lower TTW. Your increased size does not appear to present more useful tools against Bronze to increase either TTW or winrate. If I wanted better winrate, I'd pack the likes of Bone Wall, Otys, Eagle's Eye and Pulvy with Animate Weapons, and Phase Shields. The Heal usage wants for a Miracle so you also get EM's, or you swap the Heal for a Sanctuary to both protect your quanta and grant EM's.

Yes, your logic is sound. I am playing around with more "staling" cards such as the ones you have suggested, Thanks!