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Toxic Nightmare [AI3] [Unupgraded] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37394.msg469901#msg469901
« on: March 11, 2012, 11:26:13 pm »
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Wait, Nightmare but no Ghost of the Past?  Crazy?  Perhaps.

So the general premise is this.  After you can get a Neurotoxin counter on your opponent, Nightmare your Sparks, which your opponent should play.  I mean, it's quick damage and they expect to rush you, right?  Aside from that, the rest are basic SpeedBow tactics.  Any problems?  Maybe Purifies, but aside from that, you should be able to win in at least 11 turns.  I don't have exact numbers, but this has EM'd MonoAether decks with ease at 8 turns.  Also, there are issues if you don't have any buffs.  You'll have to wait a few turns until one pops up to start the Neuro chain.  And, of course, Neuro works even without forcing Sparks to be played.

Hm, any alternative cards.
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Spark > Photon
Especially when upgraded, Ray of Lights really help build up Blessings faster.  Also, they tend to do a lot less damage than Spark considering probability with Fog Shield.

What, you want to upgrade this?  I don't know why you would, but it should work great upgraded.  Just make sure you don't upgrade the Sparks, Novas, or Forest Spirits.  Unless you want to take more damage and spend more  :life .

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Re: Toxic Nightmare [AI3] [Unupgraded] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37394.msg469929#msg469929
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2012, 01:09:16 am »
Why use sparks when you could use photons? I would replace fog shield with a skull shield and nightmare photons since photons do less damage than sparks.

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Re: Toxic Nightmare [AI3] [Unupgraded] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37394.msg469931#msg469931
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2012, 01:14:46 am »
Hm, I forgot about Death.

Well, Sparks were supposed to deal less damage in the long run since they'd be, you know, dead.  But that would definitely work as well.

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Re: Toxic Nightmare [AI3] [Unupgraded] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37394.msg470926#msg470926
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2012, 11:32:01 pm »
This works great!  Yes, I would nightmare RoLs with a 1 DR shield so their field is like full of malignant cells.

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Re: Toxic Nightmare [AI3] [Unupgraded] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37394.msg470927#msg470927
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2012, 11:34:15 pm »
Actually, that's what I have been doing for a while now.  But I felt it best to leave the current version up and I don't like half-upped decks.

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Re: Toxic Nightmare [AI3] [Unupgraded] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37394.msg470974#msg470974
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2012, 03:02:36 am »
I thought the RoL version was ready a while ago.

@Anyone who wants to try - I tried making a mod that used the sparks to power up vultures along with the neurotoxin. Sure there are more efficient decks, but this is a challenge! My mod didn't work that well
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Re: Toxic Nightmare [AI3] [Unupgraded] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37394.msg470983#msg470983
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2012, 03:38:47 am »
nice idea for an ai killer until ai is better  :P
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Re: Toxic Nightmare [AI3] [Unupgraded] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37394.msg1008120#msg1008120
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2012, 04:34:51 pm »
Discord scambles quanta which you need your opponent's quanta useful to add more neuro. Your opponent should be able to play cards for more damage which with scrambling, he cant.
I'd suggest stiletto but nightmairs! An arse or 6th would do the job.
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Re: Toxic Nightmare [AI3] [Unupgraded] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37394.msg1008131#msg1008131
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2012, 05:19:35 pm »
Discord scambles quanta which you need your opponent's quanta useful to add more neuro. Your opponent should be able to play cards for more damage which with scrambling, he cant.
I'd suggest stiletto but nightmairs! An arse or 6th would do the job.

The idea is the AI would play the free creatures instead of whatever harder hitters they have in deck.  It also stalls slightly while you get Neuro set up.  Or once Neuro is set up, keeps him from dealing damage while you keep scrambling the quanta.  But all in all, it is really there just because of extra :entropy.

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Re: Toxic Nightmare [AI3] [Unupgraded] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37394.msg1008148#msg1008148
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2012, 06:28:23 pm »
Looking back on this, why not add a bone wall. It goes great with the sparks.
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2012, 06:45:37 pm »
Looking back on this, why not add a bone wall. It goes great with the sparks.

Quanta.  Seeing as this is unupped, getting 7 :death would be a pain to do.  If this were SN based, it would be doable.

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Re: Toxic Nightmare [AI3] [Unupgraded] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37394.msg1008154#msg1008154
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2012, 06:48:54 pm »
Looking back on this, why not add a bone wall. It goes great with the sparks.

Quanta.  Seeing as this is unupped, getting 7 :death would be a pain to do.  If this were SN based, it would be doable.
You do have a point, however, upgraded it costs 5, which is more doable, especially if you replace a quantum pillar with a death pillar/pend
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