The ULTIMATE False God killing deck!!! (old)

[miniwally]

Am I just missing it or in the upgrade section have you missed out when you need to upgrade graboid

[ObeseGod]

i just made this deck today the none upgraded version and so far its 1 win, 5 losses T-T
usually i get creamed in the first 4~5 rounds >.<

only win below

[sorky]

hello
i'm noob to this game and i find it funny..

Concerning the upgrade order....... what's the point to upgrade quantum pillar first instead of nova ???
U win 3 quantum instead of 12!!

It doesn't matter that tower is permanent.... the boost to quantum is not... if quantum tower gives 4 randoms quantums each turn then it would be better to upgrade them first, but it's not the case.

[Scaredgirl]

hello
i'm noob to this game and i find it funny..

Concerning the upgrade order....... what's the point to upgrade quantum pillar first instead of nova ???
U win 3 quantum instead of 12!!

It doesn't matter that tower is permanent.... the boost to quantum is not... if quantum tower gives 4 randoms quantums each turn then it would be better to upgrade them first, but it's not the case.

Having upgraded Quantum Towers is a huge advantage early in the game. That 3 Quantum might sound small amount but when you have multiple upgraded towers it really adds up. Also you have to take into consideration that Nova is FREE to play and Supernova costs 2 entropy quantum. That's a big difference.

But if you want to upgraded Novas first, just go for it. What I wrote there is just a suggestion and something I did when I started because it felt the best way. In some situations Supernovas are much better than upgraded Towers so who knows maybe it's better to upgrade them first.

[Belthus]

Right now, with Novas and Sundials, I have upgraded some but not all. Keeping some Novas lessens the chance of a congested hand in the beginning. Elsewhere, someone mentioned that upgraded Sundials are not targeted by permanent destruction, and that seems to hold up.

By the way, why are upgraded Sundials worse overall, in terms of cost, than basic Sundials? The upgraded saves one Time quantum for the initial casting cost, but it takes two more Light quanta for two Hastens. For the 1500 upgrade, we shouldn't get a card that is worse in some important ways.

[Scaredgirl]

Right now, with Novas and Sundials, I have upgraded some but not all. Keeping some Novas lessens the chance of a congested hand in the beginning. Elsewhere, someone mentioned that upgraded Sundials are not targeted by permanent destruction, and that seems to hold up.

By the way, why are upgraded Sundials worse overall, in terms of cost, than basic Sundials? The upgraded saves one Time quantum for the initial casting cost, but it takes two more Light quanta for two Hastens. For the 1500 upgrade, we shouldn't get a card that is worse in some important ways.

Yeah, Sundials are kind of special in a way that the ability cost increases with upgraded version. I don't think any other card does that.

But the big advantage with upgraded Sundial is that it only uses one element. Also it costs nothing to play. Those two things combined mean that you can take upgraded Sundial basically in any deck, and pay for hasten using mark of Light, or even forget the hasten altogether and just it for stasis.

[rawr]

Right now, with Novas and Sundials, I have upgraded some but not all. Keeping some Novas lessens the chance of a congested hand in the beginning. Elsewhere, someone mentioned that upgraded Sundials are not targeted by permanent destruction, and that seems to hold up.

What mark are you currently using?  With an entropy mark, I definitely prefer to have upped novas.  Entropy mark helps to prevent some of the opening hand clutter as well.

Permanent destruction is based on the casting cost of the permanent.  This is why bone walls get targeted before Pulverizer does.  Jmiz is the super informed one on this topic, and he could probably inform you of all the science behind it.

[nowusee]

for the benefit of others, i calculated the price of the cheap not-up-graded deck which didnt include The Sniper Bow thing, which came to a grand total of 2252 . You may cheer.

[rawr]

for the benefit of others, i calculated the price of the cheap not-up-graded deck which didnt include The Sniper Bow thing, which came to a grand total of 2252 . You may cheer.

I suggest you edit this into the first post Scared.

[Belthus]

Right now, with Novas and Sundials, I have upgraded some but not all. Keeping some Novas lessens the chance of a congested hand in the beginning. Elsewhere, someone mentioned that upgraded Sundials are not targeted by permanent destruction, and that seems to hold up.

What mark are you currently using?  With an entropy mark, I definitely prefer to have upped novas.  Entropy mark helps to prevent some of the opening hand clutter as well.

I use a Time mark. I have Eternity and Anubis in my deck, as well as some basic Sundials, so switching the mark would require major changes. However, recently I took all Novas/Supernovas out. Even with the Hourglasses, I found that the larger deck size was more of a stumbling block than having too little quanta. I played a lot of games where I kept waiting for a defensive card, and then I died.

[seyralunaret]

what i also noticed works really well against graviton is the gravity shield. i found this out by him playing it, actually, and then i stole it.

anything above 5 health doesnt hit you, so the graviton firemasters are completely useless. you still have to kill the chargers, but that's easy with an eagle eye or an otyugh. his otyughs also pose a threat to your creatures, but very deal-able. his creatures with momentum can catch you napping, so having a lobotomizer skill active is necessary.

but of course, (sigh) he can always explode your shield. so it just buys you time, unless you want to have multiple gravity shields. but then that disturbs the rest of your deck.

[jmizzle7]

what i also noticed works really well against graviton is the gravity shield. i found this out by him playing it, actually, and then i stole it.

anything above 5 health doesnt hit you, so the graviton firemasters are completely useless. you still have to kill the chargers, but that's easy with an eagle eye or an otyugh. his otyughs also pose a threat to your creatures, but very deal-able. his creatures with momentum can catch you napping, so having a lobotomizer skill active is necessary.

but of course, (sigh) he can always explode your shield. so it just buys you time, unless you want to have multiple gravity shields. but then that disturbs the rest of your deck.

This is a common misconception that stealing his Gravity Shield totally stops him in his tracks. Yes, it stops his Firemasters from attacking only until the point where he slaps Unstoppable on them and starts swinging for large chunks of damage. Graviton will only play Unstoppable on a Firemaster with at least 10 attack in the early game. Once you bring him down to the health threshold that changes he AI, he won't wait, but will play Unstoppable on anything that doesn't have momentum.

EDIT: Of course, the above is assuming that Graviton doesn't Explode the shield first...