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The RNG Cannon [Bronze Grinder][upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51817.msg1103820#msg1103820
« on: October 17, 2013, 05:58:35 am »
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Weak against good mono-aether decks (but still wins aginst it 50% of the time) and bad RNG.

Good against anything else.

Warning: this is not a mindless grinder. It requires advanced perception, good judgement, and smart playing. So it's a little slower than some decks.
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Re: Jack of all Trades [Bronze Grinder][upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51817.msg1103831#msg1103831
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2013, 06:23:07 am »
-Blessing? Not sure what you're expecting on this one. CP is a better buff all-around and Rage Potion works better on the warden specifically.
-Unupped SoSe. The unupped Chaos Seed/Fallen Elf/Pandemonium doesn't seem worth it.
-No SN. You could at least replace three Towers with SN if you're really paranoid about getting two in your hand.
-Lots more towers than the deck seems to need, especially since everything except the stuff from SoSe is cheap.
-Lightning Storm. Did you have a specific deck in mind you wanted to counter? It's kinda situational, so unless you're putting it in specifically to counter what would otherwise be a weakness...
-Warden, since Arctic Octopus seems like a better choice given how much quanta generation you have.
-Fate Egg. Electrum Hourglass is usually the default choice for the Time slot, and you're not so lacking in damage that Fate Egg would be better than it.
-With Otyugh and Warden the deck tries to stall, but it uses a cheap shield instead of a stronger if more expensive one. I'd expect Fog Shield in a rushier deck.

You note that the only major weakness of this deck is mono-Aether, but I'd have expected mono-Air to be a major one. How do you fare against it?

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Re: Jack of all Trades [Bronze Grinder][upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51817.msg1103838#msg1103838
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2013, 07:05:04 am »
You note that the only major weakness of this deck is mono-Aether, but I'd have expected mono-Air to be a major one. How do you fare against it?

He says he is playing bronze. In bronze aren't enough mono-Airs with enough shards to call them a weakness, at least as far as I know. About the deck, It seems rather random. some stalling (but maybe not the best), some purify, poison, etc, which is probably a bit situational in bronze.

As far as I can tell, this deck tries to play everything fast, to get enough room and quanta for the shards to be played. I think that, over all, this deck is stronger than it may look. The only cards, which I don't think that fit well, are purify and blessing. For water, a squid or mindflayer will be better, And for light, a sanctuary? or morning glory (and instead of arsenic a flesh recluse) will give you more damage if RNG doesn't like you.
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Re: Jack of all Trades [Bronze Grinder][upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51817.msg1103840#msg1103840
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2013, 07:27:41 am »
Why unupped SoSe's?
Upped would only make it that much better.
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Re: Jack of all Trades [Bronze Grinder][upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51817.msg1103841#msg1103841
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2013, 07:32:57 am »
-Unupped SoSe is just because of certain pvp events, I haven't upped most of my rares.
-Blessing is a hit and miss, I'll give you that.
-Lightning Storm I regretted not having, more than having.
-The Warden is in there for the Blessing synergy alongside Otyugh (I prefer killing CC), if I took one out, I'd take both.
-I've never found myself wanting EH, Fate Egg and SoSe provide most the damage in this deck.

-SN doesn't work well in this deck. I've tried.
-The extra pillars are mostly there for SoSe cards.

-I always win against mono-air. But then again, I don't often run into SoFr packed decks in Bronze...
-I forgot to mention this deck doesn't do well against Bone Wall Decks. Drawback of relying on CC.

All your points are valid, but I threw Tried-&-True logic out the window to build this deck, and it seems to work great.
If you can modify it to have a higher win rate than 94%, go for it. I have a feeling it's only 1 or 2 cards away from a 96% or 98% anyway.
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Re: Jack of all Trades [Bronze Grinder][upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51817.msg1103846#msg1103846
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2013, 08:02:54 am »
Supernova doesn't work too well with Controlbows. Since Quantum Towers give (over time) a really good amount of quanta as well, it's generally better to use the mark quanta for Shards (Serendipity, Bravery?) or Electrum Hourglasses or something like that.

To improve the win rate of this deck much further, you will need to pack more PC against mono Aether. I guess anything else is taste more than anything. (Maybe removing varden, purify and blessing in exchange for more exposion and steals. or changing the weapon to pulverizer, or something like that.) Maybe I will test different variations of this deck and tell if something nice comes up.
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Re: Jack of all Trades [Bronze Grinder][upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51817.msg1103848#msg1103848
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2013, 08:23:13 am »
94% win rate
50% win rate against mono aether
∴ at most 12% of decks in bronze are mono aether?

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Re: Jack of all Trades [Bronze Grinder][upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51817.msg1103851#msg1103851
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2013, 08:55:23 am »
It looks short on damage output
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Re: Jack of all Trades [Bronze Grinder][upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51817.msg1103948#msg1103948
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2013, 05:26:50 pm »
94% win rate
50% win rate against mono aether
∴ at most 12% of decks in bronze are mono aether?
Bad estimate on my part, I meant good mono-aether decks... you know, ones not built by noobs.

It looks short on damage output
But somehow always manages to get some going... the control gives you time to get 1 or 2 stronger creatures for Fate Egg or SoSe.
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Re: Jack of all Trades [Bronze Grinder][upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51817.msg1103957#msg1103957
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2013, 05:50:19 pm »
By any chance did you record TTW?

Things which could potentially help being weak against good mono aether: reflective shield, pulvy, momentum, possibly even a miracle or some other stalling/healing stuff if you're going for slow-but-high-win-rate

Things which could potentially help being weak against RNG: swapping to hourglass for more cards, adding some additional non-RNG-dependent damage (golem, recluses)

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Re: Jack of all Trades [Bronze Grinder][upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51817.msg1104109#msg1104109
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2013, 12:13:02 am »
someone can say one good deck to face bronze or silver arena, upped or unnuped?

keep waiting some answer. ;)

 

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