Post by: jallenw on April 23, 2010, 02:58:10 pm
http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=3093177700 (http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=3093177700)
THE CONDOR 5.0 Update 12/25/2010
Win Percentage: 44%
Current Stats: http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=3483544340 (http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=3483544340)
The Condor 5 removes many of the previous weaknesses of The Condor 4 and increases the overall effectiveness of the deck. Some False Gods that are easy with the previous version are slightly harder, however the more difficult gods can now be defeated more often. This deck is more versatile, but plays similar to a standard mutation swarm bow. Often you will find yourself fractaling a Malignant Cell or Alphatoxining your own creatures in order to get fuel for mutants. Sometimes it is smart to quint a cell or hold extras in your hand after a fractal. The basic concept of filling your opponent's field with cells followed by a condor/fractal/firestorm is still the primary win condition, however many games will be won with mutants.
Easy FGs: Decay, Paradox, Elidnis, Fire Queen, Destiny, Neptune, Miracle, Osiris
Medium FGs: Chaos Lord, Dream Catcher, Gemini
Hard FGs: Incarnate, Octane, Eternal Phoenix, Rainbow, Graviton, Obliterator, Seism
Very Hard FGs: Morte, Dark Matter, Divine Glory, Ferox, Hermes, Scorpio
THE CONDOR 4.1
Current Stats: http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=3462447395 (http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=3462447395)
Primary Combo cards: Condor, Fractal, Alphatoxin x2, Firestorm
Secondary Combo cards: Boneyard, Unstable Gas
Creature Control: Elite Otyugh x2, Eagle's Eye, Improved Antimatter
Permanent Control: Butterfly Effect
Defense: Bonewall, Jade Shield, Permafrost Shield, Miracle x2, Protect Artifact
Quanta: Supernova x6, Quantum Tower x10
Acceleration: Electrum Hourglass x3
Wild Card: Improved Antimatter
Since Feral Bond activates after attack now, this deck no longer gets EM as often. Since Feral Bond was not integral to the deck design, it has been removed and I am testing other cards to see what might improve the deck. This 'wild card' can greatly change the play of the deck depending upon what you decide to use. I appreciate advice on what card would best increase the win percentage.
Currently, I am using a 2nd Antimatter as the wild card.
Older versions:
THE CONDOR 4.0
Documented Win Rate: 36%
Games per hour: 15+
Wins per hour: 5+
Spins per hour: 15+
Old Statistics: http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=571867059 (http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=571867059)
Electrum Cost to Build: 60,033 (With 3 Rares)
See this deck in action: http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorGravitonlowquality.wmv (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorGravitonlowquality.wmv)
Chaos Lord http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorfloodChaosLord.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorfloodChaosLord.GIF)
Dark Matter http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodDarkMatter.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodDarkMatter.GIF) Version 4.1
Decay http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodDecay.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodDecay.GIF)
Destiny http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodDestiny.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodDestiny.GIF)
Divine Glory http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorDivineGlory.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorDivineGlory.GIF)
Dream Catcher http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorDreamCatcher.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorDreamCatcher.GIF)
Elidnis http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodElidnis.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodElidnis.GIF)
Eternal Phoenix http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodEternalPhoenix.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodEternalPhoenix.GIF)
Ferox http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorFerox.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorFerox.GIF)
Fire Queen http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorfloodFireQueen.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorfloodFireQueen.GIF)
Gemini http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorfloodGemini.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorfloodGemini.GIF)
Graviton http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorGraviton.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorGraviton.GIF)
Hermes http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodvsHermes.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodvsHermes.GIF)
Incarnate http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorfloodIncarnate.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorfloodIncarnate.GIF)
Miracle http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodMiracle.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodMiracle.GIF)
Morte http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorMorte.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorMorte.GIF)
Neptune http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodNeptune.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodNeptune.GIF)
Obliterator http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorObliterator.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorObliterator.GIF)
Octane http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodv3Octane.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodv3Octane.GIF)
Osiris http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodOsiris.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodOsiris.GIF)
Paradox http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorfloodParadox.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorfloodParadox.GIF)
Rainbow http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodRainbow.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodRainbow.GIF)
Scorpio http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorScorpio.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorScorpio.GIF)
Seism http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorSeism.GIF
(http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorSeism.GIF)
Play Strategy:
Step 1: Stay Alive
Do this by dropping an Oty with Quint and eating creatures. Use the eagle's eye to drop big creatures into his range.
Hide behind your shields. Miracle is your primary healing, but a boneyard and feral bond are available for a little extra, and antimatter can nullify a creature and give you more healing. Save it for something big if you can. If permanents are a problem, butterfly effect an oty and quint it.
Step 2: Fill up your opponents screen with Malignant cells.
You can use Alphatoxin early, but make sure that you'll have a shield out soon enough, or the cells will eat you. Let the cells fill up while you take out other creatures with your oty and eagle's eye.
Step 3: Prepare to Win
When you have about 10 cards left in your deck, you'll need to stop using the hourglasses. You want to give yourself time to save up 24 death quantum. It's a good idea to choose not to play some cards late game(such as the second alphatoxin and bonewall) if you don't need them, instead, let your hand fill up and discard them, so that when you empty your hand, you still have at least 24 death quanta.
Step 3.5: Don't forget to miracle right before you win so that your bond will heal you for 1 and get the EM for extra cash! (Update: This doesn't work, the Condor doesn't get EM in the newest version of Elements unless you work the math to do exactly enough damage so that your weapon kills your opponent.)
Step 4: Deal 350 damage in 1 turn.
Okay, right now your enemy has 23 malignant cells on his board. You have 2 quint/otys and the eagle's eye and at least 3 skeletons in play. 1 skeleton has butterfly effect.
You have 24 Death quanta.
The only cards in your hand are Firestorm, Fractal, and Condor
Drop the Condor and Fractal it, then drop all 7 so that you have 8 condors in play. Use the B/E skeleton to kill any shield the enemy might have.
Use the 2 otys and the eagles eye to kill your own 3 skeletons. The condors are 4/5 now.
Firestorm. The condors are 27/28 and your field is full of 13 skeletons, 8 condors, and 2 Oty's.
Activate the Unstable Gas, killing your own 13 skeletons and dealing 20 damage to your enemy. The condors are now 40/40.
8 Condors deal 40 damage each, for a total of 320 damage. Added to the 20 from the gas is 340.
Your Eagle's Eye deals 7 damage, and each Oty will do at least 1, since they both ate a creature this turn.
That is 349 damage. Assuming that the Oty's have eaten at least 1 other creature at any point in the game, you just did 350+ damage in 1 turn.
Enjoy!
Against Decks with Bonewall: Use 1 Alphatoxin on your own creature and attack with cell-swarm, or fractal early to eat the walls, or bust through them with skeletons.
Against Rainbow: You probably won't be able to get the combo out before you die, instead, hide behind the bonewall and 2 quinted oty's as soon as possible. If you can get the condor out with a firestorm that will kill any decent amount of creatures, do so. Use Fractal on his Forest Spirits and pump them. If you are lucky, and I mean really lucky, then you can kill him. I've gotten close several times. Edit: I got very lucky with an early Quit/Oty and Quint/BE/Oty. The standard strategy worked fine after that. See screenshot above.
Against Divine Glory: This is really hard. You have to get 2 Otys out, drop the condor and alphatoxin the condor. If you can fractal the condor or an oty(even with an almost full hand, do so) The goal is to hide behind your bonewall eating your own malignent cells to keep it alive while the oty's and cells kill him. It's hard, but possible.
Against Eternal Phoenix: DO NOT alphatoxin phoenix, save it for a dragon, because on the phoenix it won't make a cell. Save antimatter for a dragon.
Against FireQueen: Feel free to use Fire Storm early if you need it to survive. Fractal a fire queen. Butterfly effect the condor, use it to destroy the bonds. Kill with fireflies.
Against Octane: Hide behind the Jade Shield, Antimatter 1 eagle eye, alphatoxin/eat the others. Standard Condor beats. (Alternate: Butterfly effect/quint/oty early to kill gas)
Against Decay: Play quint/oty and quint/condor early. Eat his pests and watch the condor destroy him while you hide behind your Jade Shield.
Against Hermes/Obliterator/Graviton: Play a quint/oty and eagle's eye/protect artifact and a bonewall in the first 2 or 3 turns and you might win. If you don't get the eye, protect artifact the feral bond and alphatoxin your own creature.
Previous Versions:
Version 1: http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFlood.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFlood.GIF)
Statistics: http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=4088159072 (http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=4088159072)
Version 2: http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFlood_v2.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFlood_v2.GIF)
Statistics: http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=4206273028 (http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=4206273028)
Version 3(40 card version): http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/Condorflood_v3.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/Condorflood_v3.GIF)
Statistics: http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=2978120451 (http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=2978120451)
Non-Upgraded Version: (The Vulture)
This deck beat Decay!http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorNonUpgradedDecay.GIF (http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/TheCondorNonUpgradedDecay.GIF)
I have been working on this deck for the past few days. I believe that 4.0 is the most effective that I have made so far, and I will start tracking stats for it.
This is the rainbow version of my VultureFlood deck idea.
Jallen
Post by: Uncle Jellyfish on April 23, 2010, 03:44:45 pm
Post by: unionruler on April 23, 2010, 03:53:43 pm
Post by: miniwally on April 23, 2010, 03:59:51 pm
Post by: jallenw on April 23, 2010, 04:03:21 pm
I dropped the bonewall, condor, fractled it, dropped all of them, Firestorm.
Post by: Uncle Jellyfish on April 23, 2010, 04:05:37 pm
Here is the variation I was using:
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Post by: jallenw on April 23, 2010, 04:11:14 pm
Post by: RedRevive on April 23, 2010, 05:13:13 pm
I just made this deck in the trainer and played about ten games against various FGs, including Paradox, Neptune, and Rainbow, and I didn't win a single game.From what I can tell, it looks like it is really dependent that you can firestorm and fractal in the same turn. Maybe add more firestorms (+1 +2) so that you don't play the waiting game to start your offense?
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I upped all of the cards except the Boneyard. I honestly don't see how you could beat any FGs with this deck. It has only one healing spell, no draw excel, no alternate win condition, and is quite vulnerable the entire game. Perhaps a larger version of the deck, perhaps around 43 cards, would be more viable.
Also, miracle is definitely not a reliable source of healing for a deck like this, especially if there's only one in the deck
Post by: ODSTRookie on April 23, 2010, 05:19:17 pm
Post by: jallenw on April 23, 2010, 05:26:16 pm
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From what I can tell, it looks like it is really dependent that you can firestorm and fractal in the same turn. Maybe add more firestorms (+1 +2) so that you don't play the waiting game to start your offense?It doesn't firestorm until late in the game. Usually I have 3 or so cards left in the deck, also, it can use the oty's and eagle's eye to pump the condors if I don't draw the firestorm soon enough. The miracle is there to keep me alive for the 16-20 turns that the average game lasts.
Also, miracle is definitely not a reliable source of healing for a deck like this, especially if there's only one in the deck
The games are shorter than when using a rainbow like Scaredgirl's, but the win percentage is arguably lower than hers or Puppychows. This deck isn't intended as a new 'replace all false god killers' deck. This is a fun, new idea that can turn a profit in FG farming.
And seriously, who doesn't love taking a FG from 200 health to 0 health in 1 to 2 turns.
8 condors
firestorm kills 23 malignent cells.
8 condors are 24/25
8 x 24 = 192
Eagle's eye hits for 7
Oty's hit for a variable amount depending on how much they have eaten.
Total damage in 1 turn: More than 199
I mean, that's just pure joy.
Jallen
Edit: Math error corrected.
Post by: jallenw on April 23, 2010, 06:15:09 pm
http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=4088159072 (http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=4088159072)
Post by: Lluis83 on April 23, 2010, 10:35:28 pm
Strange, I'm having good results.
I have tried the deck (not in trainer) and won 3 games and lost 10 against FG, sometimes I got rushed early without being able to do nothing. Against Halfbloods it works very well, althougt never gets EM, the victories are quikest than a rainbow.
Post by: jallenw on April 24, 2010, 01:48:54 am
Remove:
1 Quantum Tower
1 Momentum
Add:
Improved Antimatter
Butterfly Effect
I'll change the deck and start tracking stats with the new build now.
Jallen
Post by: binde22 on April 24, 2010, 08:36:35 am
where the heck is the unstable gas it would completely change alot of situations
Post by: miniwally on April 24, 2010, 03:42:47 pm
1 questionThat sounds like a great idea jallen which gives me some idease of different variations you can try
where the heck is the unstable gas it would completely change alot of situations
- Add somewhere between 2-4 UG's
- Add an air nymph and 1-2 quintessence (aflatoxin on enemy side --> quint 1 enemy cell --> keep producing UG's with air nymph (possibly quint)
Post by: jallenw on April 24, 2010, 06:01:42 pm
the problem is that this deck must have 30 cards, because it has no card-drawing acceleration, so I'm not sure what to remove. Maybe the eagle's eye, but that is too useful in many situations...
Post by: miniwally on April 24, 2010, 07:25:00 pm
Post by: Uncle Jellyfish on April 24, 2010, 07:37:49 pm
Post by: jallenw on April 24, 2010, 09:50:54 pm
I don't have any nymphs, my luck with the oracle sucks. If I had and air nymph, I would totally run it instead of the Oty's, I like your idea of quinting an enemy cell. I've not thought of that aspect. I'll see what I can change, and I'll try the air nymph out in the trainer1 questionThat sounds like a great idea jallen which gives me some idease of different variations you can try
where the heck is the unstable gas it would completely change alot of situations
- Add somewhere between 2-4 UG's
- Add an air nymph and 1-2 quintessence (aflatoxin on enemy side --> quint 1 enemy cell --> keep producing UG's with air nymph (possibly quint)
Post by: miniwally on April 24, 2010, 09:59:51 pm
Post by: Uncle Jellyfish on April 25, 2010, 06:43:09 pm
Yeh I expected you too not have an air nymph but I was thinking to help other people out see how it works.
I don't have any nymphs, my luck with the oracle sucks. If I had and air nymph, I would totally run it instead of the Oty's, I like your idea of quinting an enemy cell. I've not thought of that aspect. I'll see what I can change, and I'll try the air nymph out in the trainer*Haz 3 air Nimfz* ;D
Post by: icybraker on April 25, 2010, 06:44:37 pm
*Haz a very, very sharp knife* :)Yeh I expected you too not have an air nymph but I was thinking to help other people out see how it works.I don't have any nymphs, my luck with the oracle sucks. If I had and air nymph, I would totally run it instead of the Oty's, I like your idea of quinting an enemy cell. I've not thought of that aspect. I'll see what I can change, and I'll try the air nymph out in the trainer*Haz 3 air Nimfz* ;D
This deck looks quite fun. I'm trying it out later; pretty new idea.
Post by: jallenw on April 25, 2010, 06:59:58 pm
Post by: jallenw on April 25, 2010, 11:32:58 pm
This is Version 3, the 40 card variant against Destiny. This is why I love this deck.
I dropped 8 Condors with 38 Attack in 1 turn.
8x38 = 304 Damage
And I almost always miracle right before the win, so this version gets Elemental Mastery with almost every win.
Jallen
Post by: jallenw on April 26, 2010, 05:29:04 am
And guess what? I actually beat Decay with it. I was very lucky the whole game, he got me down to 1, but the fact remains, he died to a deck with no upgraded cards.
Post by: jallenw on May 25, 2010, 03:41:33 am
Post by: brutusk on May 28, 2010, 05:12:32 pm
The way i play it i added two bone towers for the condors after the fractal and the extra condor just to improve the chances of having it when needed.
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Post by: jallenw on December 20, 2010, 05:30:25 am
This deck is still viable in the most recent version of elements, but I will be experimenting to see if the new cards can improve it.
Post by: jallenw on December 25, 2010, 10:41:57 pm
I finally got a screenshot of a win against Dark Matter.
(http://meowsquish.webs.com/junk/CondorFloodDarkMatter.GIF)
My weapon did the killing blow, it was a CLOSE game!
Post by: TheIdioticIdiot on December 25, 2010, 11:43:55 pm
Post by: wavedash on December 26, 2010, 12:43:19 am
Post by: jallenw on December 26, 2010, 08:10:03 am
I control the board and stay alive with oty, eagle's eye, shields, antimatter, miracle, mind flayer, steal, and sometimes even by mutating enemies to get them in range of the oty or sniper.
As soon as possible I Alphatoxin an enemy creature. I continue to eat their creatures while their board fills up with cells. Behind my shields, the cells can't hurt me. In 5 or so turns, their field is full of cells, so they can't drop new creatures, and can't hurt me. The only creatures I leave standing are harmless or antimattered (or invunerable).
While all this is going on, I am drawing just as quickly as possible and watching my death quanta.
If I don't have 24 or so death quanta when I have only 10 cards left, I stop drawing extra cards.
When I have 2 or 3 cards left in my deck, I have enough death quanta, condor, fractal, and firestorm. The FG is usually somewhere around 100 life, but many of them have feral bonds or whatever, and could be still at 200 life.
I play 8 condors and firestorm, then I eat anything left and snipe a creature, even my own many times. Typically, the condors end up being about 26/27, but even at 19/20 we are talking about a serious amount of damage. My Otys an possibly my muntants are also attacking, and the FG almost always take 200 damage in one turn.
I make sure that I know everything the FG can do and play accordingly, such has holding a steal until the end to remove a phase shield so the damage can get through.
The strategy for each fg is very different in subtle ways with this deck, and losses are almost always due to bad decisions on my part and not a failure of the deck itself.
This deck does NOT play itself. You have to be able to predict what the fg is likely to do. You have to be willing to hold an antimatter for later against a 13 power creature instead of using it right away on an 8 power creature. You have to miracle at the exact right time, and save supernovas for use after miracle in anticipation of a second miracle later. You have to know which creatures to quint and sometimes the decision between an oty or a mind flayer is the game deciding factor. Knowing which shields to use, and when, is also vital. Add to all of that the decision of weather to alphatoxin their creature or yours.
It is FUN, challenging, and best of all, satisfying every time an FG goes from 200 to 0 in 1 turn, which is quite often.
My average game length seems to be able 10 mins for wins, and 1 to 2 mins for losses.
So far, I am getting about 5 wins per hour on average, netting me 15 spins. That brings me about 4 or 5 upgraded cards every hour, which I think is pretty good.
I've never said this deck was the most effective FG killer. I have always said that it is the most fun FG killer to play. I have worked very hard retooling this deck many times, and I take pride in the fact that it is the product of my own design.
P.S. The images are low quality because they don't really need to be high quality to see what's going on, and I have a limited amount of space where I host my images.
Post by: TheIdioticIdiot on December 26, 2010, 01:09:52 pm
Post by: jallenw on December 26, 2010, 08:38:54 pm
Post by: wavedash on December 26, 2010, 08:41:53 pm
Post by: jallenw on December 28, 2010, 12:11:42 am
This deck is all about playing perfectly. If you make a single mistake, then you will lose, but if you play perfect, then only bad luck with draws or quantum generation will cause you to lose.
Post by: UncleBero on December 28, 2010, 01:13:36 pm
but I would also use Fallen druid It would be even better fun!
Post by: zombie0 on December 28, 2010, 04:09:04 pm
Post by: UncleBero on December 28, 2010, 11:54:34 pm
New creatures i GX and 5Ds aren`t as good as in old Yu-Gi-Oh
Post by: jallenw on December 29, 2010, 04:31:45 am
Post by: wavedash on December 29, 2010, 04:39:56 am
Post by: jallenw on December 29, 2010, 08:05:23 am
Post by: bucky1andonly on January 07, 2011, 11:57:45 pm
Post by: jallenw on January 08, 2011, 07:38:28 am
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on January 09, 2011, 02:28:58 am
Post by: jallenw on January 17, 2011, 11:58:41 pm
The statistics of which deck version and how many games played is on the first post of this thread. To give you an idea of how much I have played, however, my record is 2693 wins and 4698 losses, but that includes my time as a newbie, the time before I developed this deck and played a SG timebow, as well as all the tourney, t50, pvp, and duel games I have played. It also includes the games that I have played just for fun with experimental or spur-of-the-moment builds.
Yes, I have put a lot of work into this deck in order to get screenshots of wins against every FG as well as reliable statistics for multiple versions.
I appreciate your input and I will continue improving the deck with the intention of improving the win ratio to above 50%.
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on January 19, 2011, 11:16:20 pm
Post by: jallenw on January 20, 2011, 09:21:50 am
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Post by: jallenw on January 20, 2011, 10:45:15 pm
Post by: Newbiecake on January 21, 2011, 09:24:26 pm
-2 Purple Nymths
-1 Purple Nymth, 1 Shard of Readiness
Which one will work better you think? Guys suggestions please?
Could this the the "advice" you need? A lot of people have a collection of nymths now, so maybe the two "wild" Antimatters can be replaced with 1 nymth and 1 SoR for more nullifying? Well probably 1 more quint is required too if the nympth is going in.
Don't put it up because not everyone has it, but maybe as an alternate option?
EDIT: New strategy. Always put purple nymth before air nymth. Antimatter the air nymth so that nothing targets it (not even rewinds, turtle shields, etc), make gas, aflat opponent creatures to fill up their slots, use permafrost or jade, win! Or just stall and build up enough gases to make a sudden death. This strategy only works for people with both nymths sadly. :(
Post by: Newbiecake on January 21, 2011, 11:29:19 pm
EDIT: New strategy. Always play Purple Nymth before Anything, so that you can Antimatter whatever follows it so it doesn't get targeted (creatures won't attack the Antimattered thing, rewind it, damage shield effects don't work on it, etc) Now Aflatoxin opponent creatures to fill up their creature slots, then use Permafrost or Jade Shield to defend, wait for Air Nympth to make at least one gas to kill all the Cells (or make many gases for a sudden death), then you win! This strategy only works for people with both nymths sadly. :((http://imageplay.net/m7Gbd126455/The_Condor_thumb.jpg) (http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd126455/The_Condor)
And wow! The mighty graviton just got decked out by my purple nymth several times. :)
Post by: jallenw on January 22, 2011, 07:37:17 am
This is my current build:
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Post by: TheIdioticIdiot on January 22, 2011, 07:45:42 am
(i think i found a use for mine...)
Post by: Newbiecake on January 22, 2011, 08:09:25 am
Btw can anyone give me omse advice on my deck? The link is in my signature.
Post by: jallenw on January 24, 2011, 05:40:10 am
She serves several purposes:
1) Lobotomize: she can take away useful abilities of creatures, not momentum, but still useful.
2) Extra Lifegain: vampire herself or a mutant or your own malignant cells for a little extra life. Makes the difference of 1 extra turn to get quanta for miracle. Also, vamp a condor at the end after a miracle for the EM win.
3) Kill those pesky critters. Sure, it's only 1 damage per turn, but it can bring guys down to oty range or just plain kill them. Great against phoenix!
4) Distraction! In my experience, the computer targets the nymph most often over other critters, so a nymph is good for a single turn protection of one creature in some cases.
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Post by: jallenw on January 24, 2011, 12:03:38 pm
Dark Nymph allows for Liquid Shadow if needed, but the fractal/condor kill condition makes the extra damage not necessary.
Steal isn't really needed as far as I can tell, but maybe it increases the win rate.
Experiment, go nuts. Previous version have had a steal in it. I dunno. Win rate is as high as 45% and I'm not sure how I can get it much higher right now... still testing.
Post by: scottish on January 28, 2011, 10:02:04 am
shields: even jade or permafrost shield can protect you agains cells in unupped format. Upped format is cost one more quanta. So is it really need to upgrade those cards?
permanent controll: In previous version there is butterfly effect. Now there are not any pulverizer or BE. Didn't you think to pick one in?
Post by: Newbiecake on January 29, 2011, 05:43:42 am
Post by: jallenw on February 01, 2011, 04:37:04 am
Tips:
1) watch your death quanta and cards left in deck, I usually make it a rule to stop drawing with hourglasses at 10 cards left.
2) Know who to quint. Different FGs take different strategies, so you need to know which 2 creatures to quint and what win-condition you are going to use. Some FGs fall to the fractal/condor/firestorm, some fall to mutant swarm
3) Don't be impatient. You have 99 hps to protect you from death, most games, you will sacrifice most of them, miracle, sacrifice yet more, and maybe miracle again before the win. Play only the cards necessary and don't take risks. The deck takes a beating the whole game, then delivers the KO punch, so don't worry about getting hurt, just make sure you don't die.
4) don't be afraid to improvise. Many games I have won have been because I was willing to sacrifice key cards for just one more turn. Maybe you need to drop a single condor and bonewall with nothing out, just because you know the condor will die, the bonewall will block 9 creatures, and you can miracle the next turn. Even without the condor, you still have the mutant swarm as a fallback.
Like I have said in the past, this deck requires PERFECT execution most of the time. A single mistake in judgment on your part becomes death. This is why, in my opinion, it is fun to play, because it keep me thinking on my feet. From my experience, the win rate is close to 60% when considering only games in which I made no tactical errors.
Post by: jallenw on February 09, 2011, 11:05:37 am
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Post by: xn0ize on February 09, 2011, 05:58:56 pm
-1 miracle
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+1 purple nymph
+ 1 quint
purple + dark nymph is a good synergy
Post by: jallenw on February 09, 2011, 11:22:04 pm
Post by: jallenw on February 22, 2011, 02:32:43 am
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Post by: xn0ize on February 22, 2011, 11:03:40 am
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on February 22, 2011, 02:03:32 pm
otyugh + afloxtin + quinted Elf?Aflatoxin second Otyugh, mutate cells with Elf, and you can even eat the cells with your Otyugh if you really want to, as they will grow right back
Post by: jmdt on February 22, 2011, 02:32:28 pm
Post by: Malignant on March 06, 2011, 06:31:05 am
Forced to put this by jallen.
Post by: jallenw on March 07, 2011, 03:16:25 am
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Post by: scottish on June 01, 2011, 10:49:24 am
I don't see a use for the Bonewall... it just makes sense to use it after firestorming the cells... but then you already do a OTK... so i changed it for a heal, to increase the chance to EMYep, Bonewall is the greatest wall, but I use skull shield or green shield until I use firestorm. After that I execute my opponents within one turn. I cannot decide what is the better soultion: afltoxin-skull shield or boneshield-otyugh.
Post by: Chapuz on September 20, 2011, 11:16:19 pm
Afla + skull + oty. This deck works GREAT even after the FG upgrade1I don't see a use for the Bonewall... it just makes sense to use it after firestorming the cells... but then you already do a OTK... so i changed it for a heal, to increase the chance to EMYep, Bonewall is the greatest wall, but I use skull shield or green shield until I use firestorm. After that I execute my opponents within one turn. I cannot decide what is the better soultion: afltoxin-skull shield or boneshield-otyugh.
Post by: jallen on December 17, 2013, 09:45:17 am
Post by: timetock on December 17, 2013, 02:45:41 pm
6.0
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Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 17, 2013, 07:42:44 pm
6.0Tried it? Looks like it could easily be outdamaged.
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Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 18, 2013, 12:33:34 am
(Afla+fractal+druid, and condor+fractal+firestorm+blitz)
Edit: Harder than I thought. The part that's keeping me up is trying to keep the two archetypes from occupying so much space that I can't fit in sufficient defense.
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 19, 2013, 01:56:54 am
Played with V5.5 and got this. Still needs lots of refinement before it becomes a good deck.
Post by: jallen on December 26, 2013, 04:20:34 am
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 26, 2013, 06:24:00 am
I recently returned to elements after a long hiatus and am now working on 6.0. The 6.0 post was a skeleton build that is short 10 cards. I'll be modifying it as I work on the deck.Ok... Received my PM?
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 26, 2013, 07:11:12 am
- Supernova's nerf isn't as major as it seems. While singularity might be WTFNegativePowerful, it's quickly turned into a measly meat shield with Chimera. For the audacious, one could use it for afla fodder or mutation fodder.
- FG's are faster and smarter now. Remember SGbow? It now gets 15% winrate (At least that's what was last seen of it). Keep that in mind.
- It's usually better for a deck to keep its focus. If you try to counter all the gods, you end up countering none of the gods. But if you focus the deck, you might have to skip some gods, but the loss is minimal, and you spend more time fighting better battles. Probably something you probably already know, but...
- Unless you're going to face up against 9k FGei decks, it might be worth it to make this deck more of a fun deck. In which case,yuo can partially disregard the tip above. But I still don't like waiting for cards constantly. That's not fun.
Post by: frimax on December 13, 2014, 03:52:34 pm
Wondering around searching for enlightenment with condors, I found this deck, it seems op, and a very nice strategy, that jade shield gets EM in gold easily because the Stubborns mono-Aether, any other ideas anyone can give me to boost my condor deck??
Post by: jallen on June 06, 2017, 05:03:43 am
This is what I'm currently using. It's satisfying and seems to be working often enough even against the newer FGs. I don't have stats for it, but it's fun and rewarding.