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Re: FG Rainbow w/ SoGs, Supernovas, Entropy mark, 34 Cards, Permafrost, V1.22 Tested https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg85490#msg85490
« Reply #288 on: June 08, 2010, 02:50:58 am »
I've been playing a variation of this deck for a while now, and love it's speed over the Sundial/Hourglass/Time variant.

One this about the deck is it's reliance on Oty's to win. Today I've been getting shocking draws - such as 2 quins being in the last 10 cards. Next game the 2 quins are in the opening hand but the Otys are on the bottom of the deck... or no quantum to play them til it's too late.

I've gone back now to my 40 cards variant with something which helps this deck more than any other card - Fire Shield.

Variant:
swap a SoG for a SoR.
added:
improved steal
fire buckler
protect artifact
2 quant towers

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A SoR+quin'ed queen is great for firefly spam. The SoR also helps with the Otys' grav hunger, meaning you can use the grav on Pulv instead.
Fire Buckler shreds Paradox, makes it messy for Eternal Pheonix, helps cull creatures with the swarm FG's and puts creatures in range of your Otys often.
I especially love when you control Divine Glory's fire quantum, have a couple of SoGs out with fire buckler and watch his flying morning stars slowly kill themselves.

This deck probably has 1 too many towers. Still testing and refining.
 - 1 tower
 + 1 hourglass

40 cards with 15 quantum producing cards is enough, but you need to actually utilize 2 hourglasses a lot of the time in a 40+ card deck, or atleast have one in the early part of your deck. I'd just say be careful about making a deck too big, you randomize draws and lose the effectiveness.

Anyways, I've been my own variant of this deck for a while, but just started collecting stats i'll post them once i'm at about 100 games

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Re: FG Rainbow w/ SoGs, Supernovas, Entropy mark, 34 Cards, Permafrost, V1.22 Tested https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg85573#msg85573
« Reply #289 on: June 08, 2010, 06:47:42 am »
Just had another "last card Eternity" loss. Full control of board, a quin'ed 10/15 Oty with a quinned druid and some nasty mutants - just need a few rounds.

Thinking of either a 2nd Eternity, or more probably a Rewind which will have a greater benefit to the deck.

So modification = drop a tower, add either a Sundial (probably improved for use vs dark matter and other quantum denial decks) or Rewind to use if Eternity is drawn, or hold for last card Eternity, to rewind own creature, and be able to play Eternity and not deck out.

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Re: FG Rainbow w/ SoGs, Supernovas, Entropy mark, 34 Cards, Permafrost, V1.22 Tested https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg87555#msg87555
« Reply #290 on: June 10, 2010, 01:28:17 pm »
Have you considered adding a Jade shield in? Its great for the FG's with permanent destruction so that you know you have at least 1 shield. Against Decay its practically an auto-win, as the only time I usually lose against him is him drain lifing me to death. Helps out against Firequeen as well. Once I get control of the board, i usually just use Jade shield to make sure she doesnt start firebolting me to death. All in all my win rate seems higher -1Bone Shield +1Jade shield
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Re: FG Rainbow w/ SoGs, Supernovas, Entropy mark, 34 Cards, Permafrost, V1.22 Tested https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg87557#msg87557
« Reply #291 on: June 10, 2010, 01:34:56 pm »
Have you considered adding a Jade shield in? Its great for the FG's with permanent destruction so that you know you have at least 1 shield. Against Decay its practically an auto-win, as the only time I usually lose against him is him drain lifing me to death. Helps out against Firequeen as well. Once I get control of the board, i usually just use Jade shield to make sure she doesnt start firebolting me to death. All in all my win rate seems higher -1Bone Shield +1Jade shield
Is that before you get the shield out?  I thought drain life was a reflect-able spell?

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Re: FG Rainbow w/ SoGs, Supernovas, Entropy mark, 34 Cards, Permafrost, V1.22 Tested https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg87595#msg87595
« Reply #292 on: June 10, 2010, 03:17:17 pm »
Have you considered adding a Jade shield in? Its great for the FG's with permanent destruction so that you know you have at least 1 shield. Against Decay its practically an auto-win, as the only time I usually lose against him is him drain lifing me to death. Helps out against Firequeen as well. Once I get control of the board, i usually just use Jade shield to make sure she doesnt start firebolting me to death. All in all my win rate seems higher -1Bone Shield +1Jade shield
Is that before you get the shield out?  I thought drain life was a reflect-able spell?
He meant that this can be remedied by using Jade Shield.

Yes, Drain Life is a spell that can be reflected.

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Re: FG Rainbow w/ SoGs, Supernovas, Entropy mark, 34 Cards, Permafrost, V1.22 Tested https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg87602#msg87602
« Reply #293 on: June 10, 2010, 03:29:10 pm »
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Re: FG Rainbow w/ SoGs, Supernovas, Entropy mark, 34 Cards, Permafrost, V1.22 Tested https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg89264#msg89264
« Reply #294 on: June 12, 2010, 08:52:01 am »
From what I've done on the trainer (don't have the electrum to make it yet), this deck is pretty useful. One thing I should mention is that when I played Morte with the deck as is, replacing my permafrost shield with bone walls was the worst possible advice. Sure, it lasted for a few rounds after that (filled slots -> fire storm which killed them all, slots were almost instantly refilled by the graveyards so I did it again), but his bone wall was similarly inflated. I didn't end up doing any damage to him before my bone walls were totally exhausted. Every enemy I killed that wasn't a skeleton generated four more skeletons, and if I didn't kill retroviruses he would just sacrifice them. So despite having a quinted oty with 30 hp, I wasn't able to to anything.

On the other hand, once his hand is full of skeletons which do 2 damage, the permafrost shield fully absorbs everything and you can just mess around until he decks out.

EDIT: On the other other hand, if you manage to destroy his graveyards (or at least having only one or two out there instead of the four I was up against) with at least one fire storm and bone wall left, you could easily get up a huge bone wall against a reduced number of creatures, which would stand you in good stead. So basically it's a situational call; just don't swap out a permafrost if they have four graveyards.

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Re: FG Rainbow w/ SoGs, Supernovas, Entropy mark, 34 Cards, Permafrost, V1.22 Tested https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg89272#msg89272
« Reply #295 on: June 12, 2010, 09:10:57 am »
perma is great against morte, you should only switch to bonewall if you can get rid of all his boneyards and have a quinted oty out, otherwise its pointless.
in fact, that holds true for almost anybody in fact, im not the biggest fan of bonewall...perma is almost always better unless you have control of the board...and dont need a shield

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Re: FG Rainbow w/ SoGs, Supernovas, Entropy mark, 34 Cards, Permafrost, V1.22 Tested https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg89285#msg89285
« Reply #296 on: June 12, 2010, 09:44:48 am »
I normally play bonewall early and see if I can get an oty out from there, if not then it saved me from 7 attacks anyway so was more worthwhile then later when the opponent would just have 7 creatures out anyway.

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Re: FG Rainbow w/ SoGs, Supernovas, Entropy mark, 34 Cards, Permafrost, V1.22 Tested https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg89290#msg89290
« Reply #297 on: June 12, 2010, 09:58:33 am »
true...still its definitely not as useful as permafrost. and in the beginning you often have healing and the hits it blocks arent as high as the hits it would be blocking later
anyways what would I replace it with? no real options i think. life used too much for jade...

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Re: FG Rainbow w/ SoGs, Supernovas, Entropy mark, 34 Cards, Permafrost, V1.22 Tested https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg89329#msg89329
« Reply #298 on: June 12, 2010, 12:30:49 pm »
true...still its definitely not as useful as permafrost. and in the beginning you often have healing and the hits it blocks arent as high as the hits it would be blocking later
anyways what would I replace it with? no real options i think. life used too much for jade...
Just don't replace it.

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Re: FG Rainbow w/ SoGs, Supernovas, Entropy mark, 34 Cards, Permafrost, V1.22 Tested https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg89333#msg89333
« Reply #299 on: June 12, 2010, 12:42:35 pm »
true...still its definitely not as useful as permafrost. and in the beginning you often have healing and the hits it blocks arent as high as the hits it would be blocking later
anyways what would I replace it with? no real options i think. life used too much for jade...
Just don't replace it.
I replace one of them for a jade. Life may be really used, but only for causing damage, I usually dont even worry about my ffq until I have control, at which point, I no longer need the shield.
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