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Re: PuppyChow's FG Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg71093#msg71093
« Reply #240 on: May 19, 2010, 09:35:54 am »
I just got an incredibly beautiful screenshot with this deck against miracle. I destroyed all his pillars/towers, and drew my last card just after he generated his 12th quanta to cast miracle, and I killed him that turn :D
(http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd63784/utterly_destroyed_miracle_left)
hi 5 happened to me too lol

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Re: PuppyChow's FG Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg71829#msg71829
« Reply #241 on: May 20, 2010, 03:57:32 pm »
I can't find shard of gratitude in the bazar :-[

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Re: PuppyChow's FG Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg71836#msg71836
« Reply #242 on: May 20, 2010, 04:15:58 pm »
I can't find shard of gratitude in the bazar :-[
It's a rare card which means it can't be bought.  You're likely to win some if you play top 50 matches.  Here's  (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Card_List) a list of all cards that shows which are rare.

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Re: PuppyChow's FG Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg71965#msg71965
« Reply #243 on: May 20, 2010, 08:52:19 pm »
Puppychow -

Nice deck and thanks for putting your idea out!  I've finally reached accomplished all the upgrades last week, and started tracking the performance of this deck.  For anyone that's interested, the results are here:

http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=4005244472

I only play a few games a day (10-20), so I'll hope to get this up to about 250-500 games before I switch over to testing a new deck for comparison...  I'm not sure if I've just been getting bad draws, or whether the 1.22 FG's are just that much smarter now, but I'm coming out at around a 40% win rate. 

Thanks again for the idea, and I'll continue to use this deck for farming purposes, so the stats should continue to develop and become more accurate!
Ive been getting even less. Worst thing is I sold my completely upped Ray of Light/Fractal deck to make it. Bad idea it was.. What am I doing wrong? Im getting like 25% win rate and many games I cant even play a serious card at all  (serious= Oty, Fallen) without it getting killed. (and in the rare event that I get my quint and monster both in my hand before being almost dead...

Im using almos exactly the same deck as on first page of this forum, simply 3 Towers arent upped yet.

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Re: PuppyChow's FG Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg72078#msg72078
« Reply #244 on: May 20, 2010, 11:46:27 pm »
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Ive been getting even less. Worst thing is I sold my completely upped Ray of Light/Fractal deck to make it. Bad idea it was.. What am I doing wrong? Im getting like 25% win rate and many games I cant even play a serious card at all  (serious= Oty, Fallen) without it getting killed. (and in the rare event that I get my quint and monster both in my hand before being almost dead...

Im using almos exactly the same deck as on first page of this forum, simply 3 Towers arent upped yet.
Keep at it; you'll eventually get there. Some FGs are possible to win against but if you don't get an amazing draw it isn't worth it, like rainbow or divine glory.

And yes, you probably are doing something wrong. Against FGs with lots of creature control, playing an oty without a quintessence is very unlikely, and you usually draw one of the following early:
a) Permafrost + novas to play it early
b) Sogs + Permafrost
c) Hourglass + SoGs
d) Hourglass + Permafrost

And if you manage any of these, you can usually stall for long enough to get an oty and quint in your hand. Keep in mind that against some FGs you can do a fire storm/bone wall combo without ever needing an oty. Playing an un quinted oty against a control FG is a very very last resort.

That, and, as said before, the deck takes time to learn how to use. It isn't easy, and in some games a single mistake can cause a loss.

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Re: PuppyChow's FG Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg72085#msg72085
« Reply #245 on: May 21, 2010, 12:02:29 am »
I'm starting to use this deck again, because fractal ray of light just have too many auto quit gods by now. Like those other people, I am having a very low win rate, and it lose quite often to gods that are almost guaranteed wins for the time rainbow like ferox, miracle, incarnate etc. It just doesn't seem to have enough defence.

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Re: PuppyChow's FG Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg72150#msg72150
« Reply #246 on: May 21, 2010, 03:23:41 am »
I'm starting to use this deck again, because fractal ray of light just have too many auto quit gods by now. Like those other people, I am having a very low win rate, and it lose quite often to gods that are almost guaranteed wins for the time rainbow like ferox, miracle, incarnate etc. It just doesn't seem to have enough defence.
Really? I'm having a great time with this deck. My win rate is about ~50% right now, but that's not so good.

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Re: PuppyChow's FG Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg72250#msg72250
« Reply #247 on: May 21, 2010, 08:54:12 am »
I can't find shard of gratitude in the bazar :-[
It's a rare card which means it can't be bought.  You're likely to win some if you play top 50 matches.  Here's  (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Card_List) a list of all cards that shows which are rare.
why top 50 and not level 5?

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Re: PuppyChow's FG Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg72354#msg72354
« Reply #248 on: May 21, 2010, 02:38:02 pm »
why top 50 and not level 5?
Because some of the nicer top 50 players have "farms" set up so that you can automatically win the battle and shards to win as well.  You'll have to have 1500 electrum to upgrade the shard too, in order to get the SoG.

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Re: PuppyChow's FG Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg72368#msg72368
« Reply #249 on: May 21, 2010, 02:52:57 pm »
Ive been getting even less. Worst thing is I sold my completely upped Ray of Light/Fractal deck to make it. Bad idea it was.. What am I doing wrong? Im getting like 25% win rate and many games I cant even play a serious card at all  (serious= Oty, Fallen) without it getting killed. (and in the rare event that I get my quint and monster both in my hand before being almost dead...

Im using almos exactly the same deck as on first page of this forum, simply 3 Towers arent upped yet.
I would say the deck is about a 35% to 40% win rate against the Gods.  As with any game, there's a lot of luck involved in terms of the draw you get, and the draw the FG you're playing against gets... but you'll need a strong understanding of card combinations are key in your deck against the FG you're playing against, and potential variations to help make the "right" decisions to improve your wins.  Also really important... knowing what item to wait to steal from the FG, as that can make/break your game.

I've only got 122 plays so far, so I'm about halfway done with testing.. ultimately, I want to have at least 10 games per FG to better understand the likelihood of winning, or 250 games+.

http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=4005244472

Assuming you don't have a bad draw (which are included in the stats above), the key thing to learn is that you need to effectively stall/speed up the deck if you don't have the right cards out.  Puppychow pointed out those combinations on an above post on this page.

I'm not going to go into a FG by FG tutorial, as Puppychow has kindly provided the basis for that already in the beginning of this thread, but I'll put up my strategy for Octane here since I currently have a 60% win rate and Octane for some reason isn't posted in PuppyChow's post.  (It's only 5 games, so this is far from a guarantee).  PuppyChow, please feel free to trim it down... I'm not good with brevity on first drafts.

Octane - Your biggest benefit here is using your fast draw to get to a Pulverizor as fast as possible.  Get a shield out to block out some of the creatures, preferably Ice shield (forgot name for a second) but if you don't have that, put up bonewalls to stall the creature damage as you get close to 50-70 HP.  The Pulverizor is your key weapon in damage prevention against Octane, as you will be destroying each Unstable Gas he puts out.  In fact, I would argue the Otugh combination is not the essential to surviving as it just eats up the quanta you need for getting rid of the Unstable Gas.  If you have a Steal in hand, save it until you absolutely need to use it, as sometimes Octane will play multiple Unstable Gases and you'll want to destroy one, and steal the other in that scenario.  If you don't have a Pulverizor out yet, and he plays Unstable Gas, go ahead and steal it... and save it for later to use.

Once you've established your Pulverizor and have saved enough quanta to play it every turn, then look to the otugh/druid combo in the attempt to create creatures with steal or destroy.  Both of these will relieve your Pulverizor of duties, and you can get back to the standard combo.  But being able to use the Pulverizor is far more important than eating a creature... no creature on his board will be doing 20 damage + hurting all your creature, so if you only have two quanta, save it for Pulverizor instead of eating a creature.

I'll hope to add some more specific strategies for the other FGs once I complete testing for this deck, and look forward to PuppyChow's thoughts as to whether I need to revamp some of the strategies I'm using to play my cards.

Thank you again, PuppyChow, for a great deck build.  Definitely a fun anti-FG deck!

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Re: PuppyChow's FG Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg72625#msg72625
« Reply #250 on: May 21, 2010, 09:03:53 pm »
Great deck. Tested it out on the trainer, beat 8 of 10 FGs. Funny thing was I beat the hardest ones and lost to the easiest ones  ^-^

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Re: PuppyChow's FG Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1748.msg72626#msg72626
« Reply #251 on: May 21, 2010, 09:05:46 pm »
Great deck. Tested it out on the trainer, beat 8 of 10 FGs. Funny thing was I beat the hardest ones and lost to the easiest ones  ^-^
I know what you mean lol. I lost to incarnate once of twice with this deck and Rol/Fractal.....bad luck is all.

 

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