Post by: Tiko on December 08, 2011, 11:24:30 am
I searched through the rainbow decks section and willng's Speedbow List (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,27792.0.html) and though I came across countless decks that contain the very same cards, I have found only a few which are based on the same tactic, but none that centered around it in this form. Still, I don't think I deserve any special credit for this, just thought I'd share.
I was tinkering with Bonewall since the dominance of Fire decks in the Arena, as it turned out to be real powerful against the element, especially that many creatures die in the process and the AI likes to waste Deflags on it. But if you also have methods to reduce enemy numbers it becomes even more supreme against many others too, but sometimes by itself it can buy you enough time to land that finishing blow. This was the deck I put together when the new shards went live; and since then, I gathered more than I'll ever possibly need. Note that I always hated 'grinding', and my online time has been drastically reduced lately..
It has all the common cards that you can see in any of today's rainbow out there, maybe with the exception of the Owl's Eye, but I found it a great addition in many cases, if nothing else for its nice damage boost. The rest of the deck does not need much explanation I believe: six QTs are there for a bit more stable startup and because many of your cards are more or less expensive. Crappy hands still happen though, but you can crawl your way back on top later if all goes well. I had some fun replacing the 6th Tower for a Serendipity, but I seemed to encounter those bad hands more often that way. A single HourGlass to get that much wanted next wall (or just acting as a decoy for the OE), Steals to get more shields if necessary and Heals are there for you to be well rewarded for your efforts. It's not unlikely to get 5/6 EMs in a row, just watch your quanta and wall-count closely.
I did not keep track of stats, if someone cares it sure is welcomed.
Have fun.
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Post by: ralouf on December 08, 2011, 11:44:20 am
I may play some games for you to have a win/loss ratio.
Nvm reading the title is a good idea ;) I really like the deck and will try it soonish
Post by: Shantu on December 08, 2011, 01:44:45 pm
Post by: ralouf on December 08, 2011, 02:26:05 pm
19/2
5 EMs
2 Spins
I've stuff to do and I'm bored so I didn't played more
Post by: Gandora on December 08, 2011, 05:10:28 pm
so far 3 spins in a row (silver league) :D
and i don't have all cards upped!
Post by: Bonestorm on December 08, 2011, 08:09:38 pm
Post by: fbparis on December 09, 2011, 01:31:21 am
It's faster and still have very good results with this in SL.
Last 24 games : 23 win, 7 EM, 4 spins
Post by: Vineroz on December 12, 2011, 12:23:59 pm
And then I had a crazy idea. Why not try playing this against plat, when there are so much anti-SPlat healing decks? To my surprise, it works, and it works VERY well. In less then 10 attempts I got a rare spin. I feel like ~50% win rate on these games. Until now I have already got 3 rare spins in about 20 attempts, and win rate maintains at ~50%. Not to mention a remarkable EM win against #1, which was a SoSe speedbow, resulting net gain of 4620 :electrum and 2 SoSe's which I had farmed for weeks.
This deck is still vulnerable against bad draws and opponents' fast set up. In silver 1 of every 5 games like this would cost you a rare spin. In plat however, there are speedbows that can be countered (if you had the right cards). Also the anti-SPlat decks are slow on damage at first, where heavy CC in this deck can take care of. I believe this deck can be tweaked a little bit and become a regular plat farmer in a short period :)
Post by: Tiko on December 13, 2011, 12:14:33 pm
So who would've thought?! It does work against Platinum. Though not recommended unless you have a nice, healthy set of nerves, but it really pays off with the right matchup (and proper drawing).
(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd240546/BoneOwn_Shard.png)
Thanks for telling, Vin!
Post by: Gandora on December 13, 2011, 03:10:17 pm
Post by: Bonestorm on January 20, 2012, 09:45:43 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/7pBoC.png)
Post by: Opsinis on January 21, 2012, 04:44:57 pm
I certainly will be using it for a while. Thanks to it (and you I suppose) I got three special spins in silver, all resulting in shards.
One issue: Mono aether is a bit tricky due to the immortal creatures. Oh well, not much one can do about that.
Post by: Shrink on January 22, 2012, 08:36:44 pm
| Win/Loss | Average Turns To Finish | Total Electrum Won | Avg. Time | Total Special Spins | Total EM's |
| 24/1 | 10.56 | 212 | 125.44 | 3 | 10 |
| Win/Loss | Average Turns To Finish | Total Electrum Won | Avg. Time | Total Special Spins | Total EM's |
| 20/5 | 9.92 | 1574 | 128.72 | 2 | 10 |
Post by: ffun on January 23, 2012, 01:46:43 pm
Post by: Calindu on January 23, 2012, 02:46:44 pm
I see you have some interesting combos here, and those are very good against silver/bronze, but let's move on the next level:platinum league.
First of all, the Improved Heals aren't really needed, not even the explosion taking the deck down to 27 cards.
Because Shard of Serendipity can provide you good cards to use, so I added 3 copies.
With this change you may need more quanta, this is why I removed 1 Elite Graboid and changed it for another Quantum Tower, giving you 7 Quantum Towers, enough to power all the cards, including the cards that you receive from Shard of Serendipity. Without those Improved Heals I found I needed more Creature Control, this is why I changed the Lava Destroyer for a Fire Storm.
The add of Fire Storm gives you a good way to break those rushes that made my day hard when using a Lava Destroyer.
Some interesting changes may be:
- Changing the Twin Universe in a Quintessence: This change can save you many, many times, since the Platinum league is full with Creature Control, but that will also reduce your damage, a lotChanging the Twin Universe in a Mindgate: While this can provide you a good fun, it will be hard to sustain the constant cost of the cards.Changing the Elite Graboid in a Pulverizer and The Eagle's Eye in a Elite Queen: While this can give you a hard amount of Permanent Control and will increase the maximum damage output, you will often lack :gravity quanta and enough Creature Control
Post by: tyler1232321 on April 17, 2012, 06:37:11 pm
Post by: Tiko on April 17, 2012, 06:58:22 pm
I dont have the angel upped, could i replace it with a sanctuary?
Sure, sometimes it may even save you from those nasty Black Holes too. But overall I found the Angel more useful for its high attack and the ability to keep key creatures (like the Otyugh) alive throughout the game. Crusader could be another option.
But a sidenote to anyone still planning to use this: the recent change to Supernova paired up with all the expensive cards, this deck lost a great portion of its speed and viability. You can still win many games in lower leagues, but there are probably far better deck choices now; you'll rarely see special spins/EMs with it anymore.
Post by: Gandora on April 17, 2012, 07:08:31 pm
I dont have the angel upped, could i replace it with a sanctuary?
Sure, sometimes it may even save you from those nasty Black Holes too. But overall I found the Angel more useful for its high attack and the ability to keep key creatures (like the Otyugh) alive throughout the game. Crusader could be another option.
He could also make it 31 cards deck adding purify to keep otyugh alive. I often use this strategy. Imo, oty is one of the best creatures against arena and cc and poison decks are very common, especially in higher leagues as it seems. So I often am very happy to have that purify.
Post by: Tiko on May 27, 2012, 05:05:31 am
The 7/5 quantum generators seemed like the best option so far. And while I hate it from all my heart, the single Explosion - SoF change comes with a little boost in overall performance, namely: one additional death effect, a little extra healing for those much wanted EMs sometimes, and naturally, even less permanents in your way (just snipe it once if it isn't enough); but most of the time it's better to get rid of permanents instantly (OE, Lobo, shields, etc.), so the Steals are still there.
It is still capable of doing EMs relatively often, though not that regularly anymore. If you want to bring it to higher leagues (still not recommended), don't forget your +Purify.
Have fun.
Post by: ~Zytoc~ on June 08, 2012, 01:57:56 pm
And,this picture is ........resource of the horror in the bones.. :death :death :death :o
Post by: eaglgenes101 on July 25, 2012, 01:44:21 am
Post by: frimax on July 26, 2012, 01:11:42 am
First try EM.... nice work, I want to use my SoF any good Ideas?
Post by: willng3 on July 26, 2012, 01:30:29 am
Not sure if you're referring to Shard of Freedom or Shard of Focus here, but the newest variant in the opening post uses exactly one SoFo.
First try EM.... nice work, I want to use my SoF any good Ideas?
Post by: furballdn on July 26, 2012, 01:32:41 am
-2 heals
-graboid
-2 steals
+QT
+4 SoSe
Post by: frimax on July 26, 2012, 03:15:42 am
I meant early Shard of Freedom, any link to a good farmer in the arena, doesn't matter if it's silver or gold.
But I been trying a variant of the Bone collector with Freedom and it's sweet, since the forest specter, archangel and the twin universe.
3 masters in a row in gold. hahaha
Post by: furballdn on July 26, 2012, 03:58:21 am
I'm getting so rich =....) (happiness) :entropySoFre is only useful if your deck centers on airborne creatures. Just a forest specter, archangel, and maxwell aren't worth putting SoFre in here. Additionally, SoFre isn't that useful unless you have at least 3 or 4.
I meant early Shard of Freedom, any link to a good farmer in the arena, doesn't matter if it's silver or gold.
But I been trying a variant of the Bone collector with Freedom and it's sweet, since the forest specter, archangel and the twin universe.
3 masters in a row in gold. hahaha
Post by: frimax on July 26, 2012, 10:19:09 am
Its alright with me, I'm just trying to find my way around so many phase shields in GOLD, it either that, Psion, momentum or I'm still thinking about which cards to change, FRE+maxwell+angel+specter+TU already gave me some wins, momentum is good too, SoBr, Butterfly effect+OTy, or maybe I will just add a
SILENCE.
hahaha
Post by: aspex on July 31, 2012, 05:36:17 am
I've been wondering if it's my bad luck or if the "randomizer" in this game is broken. So I tried this deck... (with a few extra pillars to bring it to 35 because i can't afford the upgrades)
after 3 games in level 3 so i can "learn" the deck, I found myself screaming once again
ARE YOU F'N KIDDING ME?! Is this a bug, or does this happen to everybody.. because it happens to me A LOT!
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/388130_10151010268673568_1187186875_n.jpg)
Post by: furballdn on July 31, 2012, 05:46:21 am
you know, with my all black deck i kept wondering why 18 pillars in a 35 card deck never got me enough quanta until turn 4 when a few devourers got out.I see you're using unupped cards. If the novas aren't upped, there's no way the deck can work. Upped pillars also help a lot.
I've been wondering if it's my bad luck or if the "randomizer" in this game is broken. So I tried this deck... (with a few extra pillars to bring it to 35 because i can't afford the upgrades)
after 3 games in level 3 so i can "learn" the deck, I found myself screaming once again
ARE YOU F'N KIDDING ME?! Is this a bug, or does this happen to everybody.. because it happens to me A LOT!
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/388130_10151010268673568_1187186875_n.jpg)
Post by: frimax on July 31, 2012, 05:54:35 am
how many quanta producer cards do you find?
(14 or 16?)/30=it works, also 0 quanta cards are very effective, genome, RoL, spark, nova, immolation, damselfly(<-- best).
If you need newbies decks take a look at one of my posts.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,41567.0.html
GL.
Post by: furballdn on July 31, 2012, 05:56:31 am
at least 50% of your cards need to be quanta production, look at one of my decks for example,O RLY
Post by: aspex on July 31, 2012, 06:14:35 am
but what's being said is that it IS broken, because simple math says 3 of 10 cards SHOULD be quanta producing in a deck with fewer pillars than what i cobbled together from the original deck in this post.
in fact, i put in more due to lack of upgrades.
of course mono-aether does the opposite, where i draw nothing BUT pillars until the deck runs out and is forced to give me playable cards. (http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/564148_10151010316213568_45951510_n.jpg)
sorry, didn't mean to hijack.. just so mad and it seems nobody else has this problem...
(d'oh! i pasted the screenshot over the other image, that was chaos lord from the Oracle, not level 3.)
Post by: furballdn on July 31, 2012, 06:16:16 am
My guide to unupped rainbows (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Furball%27s_tutorial#Building_your_first_rainbow) My guide to upped rainbows (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/Furball%27s_tutorial#Building_a_supernova_based_rainbow)
Post by: aspex on July 31, 2012, 06:27:30 am
If I don't include over 50% pillars in my deck, or UPGRADE ALL of the quanta producing cards in a deck... the game will not let me draw them until I've drawn all the other cards.
That is what my experience tells me (except with mono aether where it's the exact opposite). Stupid me, I expected the game to actually shuffle the deck.
Thank you so much for your help. I will now quit this and go back to Tripeaks Solitaire.
Post by: furballdn on July 31, 2012, 06:29:43 am
Post by: Calindu on July 31, 2012, 06:45:55 am
The SN/nova split is surprisingly effective, and with 3 SoFos and the Rage Elixir/Eagle's Eye(snipe once and you have another PC)/GPull you have a lot of PC.
Post by: Shantu on July 31, 2012, 08:43:54 am
Here's a bare minimum that you need, but your winrate will obviously be lower because you have much lower damage. It is not really recommended. Towers can be unupgraded too, but then you are better off using another deck. Focus as well, I just don't have an unupgraded version of it.
As for the RNG-rage, it happens to each and every one of us. We've just learnt to live with it, more or less. But are you sure it's a good idea to put in one-time spells into a deck like this? The power of these rainbow decks come from all the reusable effects.
The SN/nova split is surprisingly effective, and with 3 SoFos and the Rage Elixir/Eagle's Eye(snipe once and you have another PC)/GPull you have a lot of PC.
Seems interesting, I will have to try these variants some day when I overcome my disgust for the arena.
Post by: Tiko on January 08, 2013, 01:04:14 pm
Post by: eaglgenes101 on January 19, 2013, 02:51:45 am
(source: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,45840.0.html )
Post by: antiaverage on January 29, 2013, 08:05:20 pm
Post by: Drake_XIV on January 29, 2013, 08:13:53 pm
Is the Archangel that much better than exchanging for a Morning Glory? I get that she keeps your Oty nomming happily, but not sure I've run into that enough to justify not having untouchable 8 damage.
Well, the Morning Glory steals away the Weapon Slot which would be better having the Eagle Eye
Post by: antiaverage on January 29, 2013, 08:15:44 pm
Is the Archangel that much better than exchanging for a Morning Glory? I get that she keeps your Oty nomming happily, but not sure I've run into that enough to justify not having untouchable 8 damage.
Well, the Morning Glory steals away the Weapon Slot which would be better having the Eagle Eye
I see your point. Although I've enjoyed having the choice. There are times where I'm playing a deck that has strong PC and I'm handling the creatures just fine, so Morning Glory makes more sense. There are other times where I really need the CC of Eagle's Eye. The difficulty of focusing a rainbow...
Post by: timetock on January 30, 2013, 12:39:38 am
I see an hourglass, but what about switching it for a precog?
Post by: Drake_XIV on January 30, 2013, 12:41:07 am
hmmm...
I see an hourglass, but what about switching it for a precog?
You could, but that's one time use and doesn't utilize :time as well.
Post by: Cardplayer on February 05, 2013, 11:23:15 pm
Good work.
Post by: cgibson0102 on March 08, 2013, 07:58:38 pm
Post by: ninetyfools on March 26, 2013, 02:17:25 pm
Any suggestions on next upgrade?
Post by: Drake_XIV on March 26, 2013, 04:39:25 pm
Post by: ninetyfools on March 26, 2013, 04:52:54 pm
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Post by: ninetyfools on March 26, 2013, 05:27:00 pm
Post by: Spidder on May 20, 2013, 07:43:16 pm
Post by: ColorlessGreen on May 20, 2013, 07:55:48 pm
Question: when you don't get a tower on the first turn, or in any other case where you can't play a card on the first 2-3 turns (this happens way to often with this deck btw) what is the best choice of card for the discard at the end of your turn? It's really bothering me it's like having to give away one of my children!!!
Heals are thoroughly expendable, but aside from that, it's quite situational. If you're loaded with CC, drop a CC card. If you're loaded with PC, drop a PC card. If you have a bunch of high-damage creatures, drop one of those. Also, don't forget to take into account what you've seen of your opponent, though it's not always easy to tell exactly what you're fighting in the first turn or two, but (for example) if you see something that looks like a mono aether, you might want to keep your PC and discard a creature even if you're heavy on PC.
Basically (while factoring in as much information as you can), discard whatever you've got too much of.
(And I realize this is probably less of a detailed answer than you were going for, but there's not really a way to prioritize what cards to get rid of, as it depends greatly on the details of the specific situation.)
Post by: Gocubbies1212 on May 20, 2013, 11:53:10 pm
-1 Oty, +1 SoFo
-1 Archangel, +1 Crusader
and -1 Explosion, +1 Minor Phoenix
seems to work very well... endow your weapon for extra CC, and the phoenix can be killed and reborn in dire cases
Post by: Lluis83 on May 22, 2013, 12:31:18 pm
Post by: benjix168 on June 08, 2013, 02:36:47 am
I love this deck so far, but due to lack of upgrades, I made a few modifications:
-1 Oty, +1 SoFo
-1 Archangel, +1 Crusader
and -1 Explosion, +1 Minor Phoenix
seems to work very well... endow your weapon for extra CC, and the phoenix can be killed and reborn in dire cases
Well, if you want to remove oty (bad idea no? to feed the wall + CC) i would put two SoFo and remove an explosion :P
Post by: Pyrodinium on June 29, 2013, 05:34:41 am
- Improved Heal + Sanctuary
to defend against nasty Devourers, Nightmares and Black Holes
- Archangel + Crusader
to reduce :light strain due to Sanctuary and because Crusader is a very flexible card.
Post by: borisovich on June 30, 2013, 02:06:20 am
Post by: Intense Power on July 14, 2013, 11:57:45 pm
Post by: Pyrodinium on July 15, 2013, 06:48:11 am
Hey, I just got this deck a few hours ago, didn't get any special spins in about 25 games in silver (but went about 60%-65%) so I decided to try it in bronze. I am 10-0 at the moment. only a druidic staff though :( i only have this so far.. what should i up/change next
I suggest upgrading Owl's Eye and Lava Golem first for more attack.
Afterwards upgrade the Steals and the heals for faster games. Steals are also useful for other decks as well so you might want to focus on them first.
Post by: Intense Power on July 15, 2013, 11:16:15 am
Thanks, I was thinking that but I wasn't sure. By the way, I am currently 26-1. This deck just crushes bronze, even with my lesser upgraded version. I'm not sure why but I think it is because it has excellent cc and speed, while not being hurt by pc or cc that much (Archangel helps with all the cc). So all I can say to Tiko is, thanks :)Hey, I just got this deck a few hours ago, didn't get any special spins in about 25 games in silver (but went about 60%-65%) so I decided to try it in bronze. I am 10-0 at the moment. only a druidic staff though :( i only have this so far.. what should i up/change next
I suggest upgrading Owl's Eye and Lava Golem first for more attack.
Afterwards upgrade the Steals and the heals for faster games. Steals are also useful for other decks as well so you might want to focus on them first.
Post by: pepin0 on June 20, 2014, 04:22:23 pm
Thanks for the deck :D