TADAbow - AI3 Domination, Rainbow style

[Higurashi]

Since I've played Elder Destruction 101, I've fallen for Hourglass in my speedbows. Lemme tell you, one in this instead of a Crawler is amazing. Speedbows often get SO much quanta left that you can hasten through your deck like heck and play everything.

[kirchj33]

Since I've played Elder Destruction 101, I've fallen for Hourglass in my speedbows. Lemme tell you, one in this instead of a Crawler is amazing. Speedbows often get SO much quanta left that you can hasten through your deck like heck and play everything.

The deck definitely has excess quanta once it gets rolling (hence, the reason it can do things like support two grabbies, gargoyles, and fuel a lava destroyer with  ).  When trying to determine the optimal creature spread, I had originally tested your suggestion with an hourglass and found that while it made the T(urns)TW stats look prettier, the actual efficiency of the deck was slightly lower from the extra clicking.  As I cannot find this archived data, you have me intrigued and I would like to retest this.  I rather enjoy playing this deck and its variants so this wouldn't be a problem to do 200 games soon after dropping from the war battles list.

This situation of having extra quanta has caused me to mess around with other variants lately as well with only 4 QT's.  I am about 75-100 games through testing replacing the 5th QT with an extra discord, an AW, a peggie (I could add hourglass to this list as well), and tried an EQ as well (the EQ was fun but it was fail for efficiency).  I would also like to start a test of this variety with an unupped ghost.  The good thing about rainbows is that you can test and re-test them to find the best variant and aren't limited to specific creatures, and often players can just mod them to what feels best for their play style (adding PC or CC, ie. subbing in toadies for crawlers).

[Higurashi]

Myeah, also gonna test -Heal, -Pega, +Archangel, +Elite Wyrm à la 101.

It's probably true HG lowers objective efficiency. You quite often draw more healing than you need with it, or a third Discord/BH you don't need/can't afford.

[kirchj33]

Myeah, also gonna test -Heal, -Pega, +Archangel, +Elite Wyrm à la 101.

It's probably true HG lowers objective efficiency. You quite often draw more healing than you need with it, or a third Discord/BH you don't need/can't afford.

Hmm, yeah, I actually did test this change as well back when originally creating it.  I found 100 games of this variant was approximately 110 score/hr less than its current form.  That was enough for me to stop at that point.

An interesting note... I found -Heal, -Peggy, +Archangel, + Elite Queen to be slightly more efficient than the mod you posted.  I think because AI3 CC is pretty rough on things with 3 or less HP.  It probably works just fine with Wyrms in 101 because of the CPs.

[Higurashi]

Yep, CP's are great in that deck. I've gotten the same results so far; AA and Wyrm are less effective than the original. Queen is an interesting thought; it you don't draw Heals or just need more offense, you do have tons of to spare. CP's also make TU better, so I don't think I need to test that either to conclude the original is the most effective for sure.

[kirchj33]

Yep, CP's are great in that deck. I've gotten the same results so far; AA and Wyrm are less effective than the original. Queen is an interesting thought; it you don't draw Heals or just need more offense, you do have tons of to spare. CP's also make TU better, so I don't think I need to test that either to conclude the original is the most effective for sure.

I'm not 100% convinced of this yet myself.  Although after much practice in its current state it can definitely outperform USEM(osis) - stats coming soon.  Just seems that there could be something better than overlapping 2 crawlers, but everything I test against it comes up short.  I tried an upped ghost, but I really need to spend some time testing an unupped ghost and some other ideas as well.  I appreciate your willingness to brainstorm new ideas though.  The boundaries are nearly limitless in a speedbow, its seems each bow just needs to find the right combo for its purpose.

[Higurashi]

Hehe. It's my perfectionist mind that replaces the Crawler with an HG, and that's what I'll be farming with for a while. I know us deck testers all share that perfectionist attitude.
I'd like to add one thing, btw. It's nice that this has 3 Discords, as with 5 QT's and entropy mark, you have to discard now and then. Quite often I can discard a Discord without losing anything, whereas decks like 101 can suffer a lot from a discard.

[kirchj33]

Some changes to the OP:

I've added stats for comparison to both USEM and USEMosis on High Speed AI & Low Quality.  It was a good run for TADAbow with no losses, I would normally expect 1 or 2 in 200 games, but it goes to show that perfecting your discards/BH timing can make for some really great stats.

I've also removed the "beginner's build" as I don't feel people should be focusing on this.  Instead they should be focusing on mastering the version that performs more optimally.

Long term goals:
1.  Speed this thing up without sacrificing score gain efficiency by testing many additional variants (some insight above in the posting exchange with Higs).
2.  Add a T50 variant
3.  Add a PvP variant

[Calindu]

Great deck...just EM-ed Graviton with it 

[TheForbiddenOracle]

Luls

-if he had an Otyugh, you'd have been screwed
-if he had more Firemasters/Chargers, you'd have been screwed

nonetheless great job! Also it looks like you never even played Discord to kill him

[Calindu]

Nope,played 1 discord but he used explode,then i just used a Black hole.

[MeetJSquared]

I still have not gotten tired of this deck.  Haven't even tried modding it yet.  It's a very nice change of pace when I get tired vs. FGs.