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Speed Wall [Silver Gold Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41310.msg511788#msg511788
« on: June 16, 2012, 02:09:06 pm »
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This deck was posted before the 1.32 game update and as a result may work very differently now.  Use at your own risk.

Hello,

I like this deck in the arena.

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Stats:
Platinum: Won 36 Lost 34   51%
Gold:       Won 28 Lost 22   56%
Silver:      Won 30 Lost 5     86%

It is a speed bow based on a strong defense. The main idea is to build a strong Bone Wall by using the good old Otyugh, Maxwell´s Demon and Fire Storm. The offense is mainly based on Epinephrine, TU and Graboids. Healing is given by Vampire Dagger, Crusader and SoFo (Black Hole)

Card by Card:
SoSe: You always get an entropy card. Some are great in this deck: If the Sose gives you Improved Mutation and you have 3 :entropy you can play 2 Supernovae, improve the singularity and get a strong mutant. Schroedingers Cat builds the Bone wall. Fallen Druid improves Fireflys, Butterfly Effect can be used on SoFo (best when it has 31 HP).
SoFo: Excellent PC. The Black Hole also gives healing.
Max D.: CC, stops many high demage creatures
Bone Wall: The heart of the deck, therefore two of them. It distracts the AIs PC. The timing is important. Often it is worth waiting for you CC or enough enemy cratures (especially with Fire storm)
Otyugh: Otyugh and Max D. control 95% of the creatures.
Elite Graboid: The offense of the deck, cheap and hard hitting. Burrow against Bone Walls, Demons, Otyughs etc
Epinephrine: There are many great targets in the deck (Demon, Ulitharid, Crusader and Elite Queen have 3 damage!). The target becomes a 12 damage creature. Great against Bone Walls, vulnerable against infection (Plague, Spine Carapace).  The queen is the best target because of the 7 HP.
Fire Storm: The best CC for many small creatures (Phoenix, RoL, Flies, Scorpions, Spider etc.). Reduce the HP of stronger creatures to help your Demon and Otyugh. Timing is important.
Ulitharid: Cheap and strong CC. Many decks are harmless when the creatures lose thier abilities (Nymphs, SoFos, Vampires...)
Crusader: Endowed with the Vampire Dagger a 9/7 creature with the Vampire ability. Don't forget the weapon of the enemy!
Elite Queen: A 6 :air creature lately and stronger than ever. Especially good in long games or against bone walls (many Fly attacks)
Electrum Hourglass: There is no  :time creature which really fits into Speed Bows, but the Hourglass is still a potential match winner. Often destroyed as the Nr. 1 AI PC target.
Steal: I still prefer a steal over a second SoFo. Some enemy permanents are just too valuable...
Vampire Dagger: It is soo cheap. It is often the first card you can play and prevents discarding. It is the main healing source of the deck. The Crusader could give 9 more healing, 18 if it is TUed and 24 if both have epinephrine, makes 30 healing max!
Twin Universe: Some targets: epinephrined creatures, Shriekers, endowed Crusaders, Demons and Otyughs for defense, SoFo, The Queen if you have enough :life,  Enemy creatures...

I think the deck has a lot of synergies which makes it stronger than an average speed bow. I love it   ;D

Modification:

-1 SoSe and +1 SoFo was tried with success:
Holocausti gave the following stats:
Gold:       Won 28 Lost 12   70%
Silver:      Won 20 Lost 6     77%
 
My own stats for -1 SoSe and +1 SoFo are
Platinum: Won 23 Lost 34  40%
Gold:        Won 36 Lost 19  65%
Silver:       Won 32 Lost 5    86%


I don't know why the Gold score is better and the Platinum score is worse in the mod version. I guess metagame or luck.

« Last Edit: January 07, 2013, 08:01:46 pm by willng3 »

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Re: Speed Wall [Gold and Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41310.msg512300#msg512300
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2012, 02:59:34 am »
No SoSe, and add a gravity pull.  =)
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Re: Speed Wall [Gold and Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41310.msg512443#msg512443
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2012, 11:40:20 am »
Perhaps -1 Ulitharid and add +1 Forest Spirit, you have more than enough CC
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Re: Speed Wall [Gold and Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41310.msg512453#msg512453
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2012, 12:27:21 pm »
interesting speedbow, but i would trade the extra ulitharid for an explosion, so that you hav 3 PC cards in your deck, increasing your chances to get one of them early on. you wouldnt even strain  :fire, considering elite queen will spawn fireflies producing  :fire

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Re: Speed Wall [Gold and Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41310.msg512529#msg512529
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2012, 04:40:27 pm »
No SoSe, and add a gravity pull.  =)

SoSe is quite effective and gravity is heavily used by the Otyugh and the potential Black Hole.

Perhaps -1 Ulitharid and add +1 Forest Spirit, you have more than enough CC

interesting speedbow, but i would trade the extra ulitharid for an explosion, so that you hav 3 PC cards in your deck, increasing your chances to get one of them early on. you wouldnt even strain  :fire, considering elite queen will spawn fireflies producing  :fire

You dont like my second Ulitharid  :( The reason for its existence is the usage of  :water the synergy with epinephrine and the lobo which decided many games. Forest spirit is interesting because it uses  :water, but  I fear :life is strained (Epinephrine and Queen).

Explosion is also interesting. Is it better than a second SoFo?

A Question: Is 54% in Platinum average, good or brilliant these days?

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Re: Speed Wall [Gold and Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41310.msg512530#msg512530
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2012, 04:45:43 pm »
No SoSe, and add a gravity pull.  =)

SoSe is quite effective and gravity is heavily used by the Otyugh and the potential Black Hole.

Perhaps -1 Ulitharid and add +1 Forest Spirit, you have more than enough CC

interesting speedbow, but i would trade the extra ulitharid for an explosion, so that you hav 3 PC cards in your deck, increasing your chances to get one of them early on. you wouldnt even strain  :fire, considering elite queen will spawn fireflies producing  :fire

You dont like my second Ulitharid  :( The reason for its existence is the usage of  :water the synergy with epinephrine and the lobo which decided many games. Forest spirit is interesting because it uses  :water, but  I fear :life is strained (Epinephrine and Queen).

Explosion is also interesting. Is it better than a second SoFo?

A Question: Is 54% in Platinum average, good or brilliant these days?

I think the SoSe is insignificat, but in general it is better than a single card, and the extra Uli is a strong choice.
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Re: Speed Wall [Gold and Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41310.msg512531#msg512531
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2012, 04:47:32 pm »
54% in Plat is good. Very good, even.
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Re: Speed Wall [Gold and Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41310.msg512550#msg512550
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2012, 05:56:18 pm »
You dont like my second Ulitharid  :( The reason for its existence is the usage of  :water the synergy with epinephrine and the lobo which decided many games. Forest spirit is interesting because it uses  :water, but  I fear :life is strained (Epinephrine and Queen).

Explosion is also interesting. Is it better than a second SoFo?

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ulitharid is a good choice, but you already have many good choices for epi, so that wont be hurt, and given the amount of CC you have, you will try to choose eating/killing a creature more often than lobo it. a third PC card will give you more chances to normalize your draw in order to get PC more frequently and on the right time.

54% in plat for a deck like this is quite good actually. you could probably increase that by adding a purify and a sanc just to take care of poison stalls,devtalls, DBH and ghostmare, although that will depend on how often you draw them.

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Re: Speed Wall [Gold and Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41310.msg512754#msg512754
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2012, 08:32:50 am »
I love it. This is my new Gold/Plat farmer now! Thanks!

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Re: Speed Wall [Gold and Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41310.msg512791#msg512791
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2012, 12:02:44 pm »
I ditched the SoSe and subbed in a SoFo. Mono Aether was constantly a drag with only 2 PC cards. The 2nd Ulitharid saved my ass actually a couple of times so I kinda like it there. TU is also great, can't see why so many choose Phase Spider as the Aether card in rainbows. It's cheap and high damage, but also way too fragile to my taste. Tried the deck (with SoFo added) in Silver and Gold with following stats:

Silver
W/L : 20/6
 
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W/L : 28/12

Not bad, faced at least 4 BH spam decks though which all resulted in loss.

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Re: Speed Wall [Gold and Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41310.msg512811#msg512811
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2012, 03:07:25 pm »
I love it. This is my new Gold/Plat farmer now! Thanks!

Great! You are the first one who uses a deck of mine! Thanks!

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Re: Speed Wall [Gold and Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41310.msg512818#msg512818
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2012, 03:34:46 pm »
You dont like my second Ulitharid  :( The reason for its existence is the usage of  :water the synergy with epinephrine and the lobo which decided many games. Forest spirit is interesting because it uses  :water, but  I fear :life is strained (Epinephrine and Queen).

Explosion is also interesting. Is it better than a second SoFo?

A Question: Is 54% in Platinum average, good or brilliant these days?

ulitharid is a good choice, but you already have many good choices for epi, so that wont be hurt, and given the amount of CC you have, you will try to choose eating/killing a creature more often than lobo it. a third PC card will give you more chances to normalize your draw in order to get PC more frequently and on the right time.

54% in plat for a deck like this is quite good actually. you could probably increase that by adding a purify and a sanc just to take care of poison stalls,devtalls, DBH and ghostmare, although that will depend on how often you draw them.


You are right. The decks you mention are very difficult to beat. Poison and deathstall with SoSa and Ghostmare are the worst. If you survive the first wave of Black Holes you can beat them. Otyughs are difficult, but the Ulitharid might rescue you.

Adding a Purify and a Sancuary would really make a strong defensive deck. But which cards should leave?

 

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