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So Who's Building A Speedbow? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20665.msg262473#msg262473
« on: February 02, 2011, 02:47:00 am »
A quick reason of why I'm writing this:

A) It's a simple guide to building a PSNBow or a speed bow. These are rainbows.
B) Getting sick of seeing all the same decks. I will be sending you subliminal messages not to post your decks. If you do, I will hypnotize you and you will delete your forums account -evil laugh- :D
C) To help out.

Some quick terms:
Speedbow- Speed rainbow. Speed rush is a bit of a contradiction or double use, since they're mostly synonymous.
PSN- Pendulum Supernova. We'll get to these later.
SN- Supernova. Upgraded nova.
BLight- Ball Lightning
(If there's something I forgot, tell me. The obvious will probably not be put on.)

To Begin! :D

There are, let's be honest, a LOT of speed rainbow and Anti FG rainbow decks clogging up the space. A lot are re-hashes of former decks on the forums that people should really just should have said "Hey, this is my tweaked version of your deck, what do you guys think?" And then posted it on the original deck thread. I'll be honest, I myself have posted decks similar (although not the same) as others, such as PSNBow with Pegasus and Chaos Power that Higs (Higurashi) then said, "Oh hey, I have something like that, (link), blah blah blah). However, her thread had multiple decks on it and I'd never seen it before, but they were very similar. Liked the decks, though. Pretty solid. Back on track.... :D. So post your tweaks ON THAT DECK THREAD. DO NOT START A NEW THREAD.

To Begin With Deck Building!

We'll do this in spoiler tabs, because I'm quite clearly a spoiler noob and will take up multiple pages otherwise.

How to build an Immolation based rainbow.
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In this, we'll go over Immolation based rainbows. There will be two types, Immolation Rainbows and Immolation Rainbows with Novas. To start, Immolation Rainbows:
In a Immolation rainbow, you will, painfully obviously, need some immolations. And something to immolates. I will try and build two versions, one upgraded, one not. The upgraded will come second. To start, grab 6 immolations.
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Now you've got some immolations. Now, grab something to immolate. We'll go with photons. In an upgraded deck, I would take Ball Lightnings as they do more damage.
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5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9

So now you need your main damage. You'll probably want, you guessed it, Lava Golem!
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Now, let's get some supporting cards. We'll want cards that cost little to nothing, or are fire based. Let's grab 2 fire dragons, 3 fire pillars, and 2 fire pendulums.
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Now we have 24 cards. For the optimal rush deck, you'll want 30 cards (better guarantee to get the cards you need). Now, supporting cards.
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So, add a graboid, arsenic, vampire dagger, (if you don't have the weapons, use an Other weapon), graviton fire eater, fog shield and mind flayer. Also, Earth mark. This is a very basic Immolation Rainbow, with a couple weapons and supporting creatures. Rush, and play!

Upgraded (Same process, only final deck shown)
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6tu 74e 7dg 7dg 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7ds 7ds 7ds 7f2 7f2 7f2 7gl 7n0 7qb 7qb 7qb 7tb 809 809 809 8pm

^ After two games, ttw of 5. :D

Nova Bows
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Nova, not Supernova. This will be unupped, totally. So, novabows: They often have 2-3 cost cards, and certain mark cards that cost more. We'll do a graboid based nova rainbow, but it should be broad enough to help you build your own novabow without posting it in a new thread on the forums.
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 590 590 590 590 590 8pm

Some graboids, 6 novas. Earth mark. This is your core deck.
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 590 590 590 590 590 5t2 5t2 5t2 8pm

Some time pendulums (pends). We'll add Precognitions later (maybe).
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Now supporting cards. Notice these all are good bang for your buck, and are about 3 quantas each.
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Now, add 5 precognitions and 1 time pend to get your finished nova bow. Well done! :D

Supernova Rainbow
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Let's start a supernova rainbow! This will feature 100% upgraded cards and the cards will on average cost 2 or 4 quanta. OK, here we go:
Start with 6 supernova's, 2 Entropy pillars and 2 entropy pendulums. You can do 4 pillars/ 4 pends, but this is just an anti - earthquake method. Also, entropy mark.
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Alright, now add your damage source. We want vampire dagger for healing and the rest for damage. If this deck was supposed to get Elemental Masteries, I would replace all life cards with heals. However, we will go with rush.
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All right, 6 cards left over. What to do, what to do. Well, we have cards from all elements except Time. So, precognitions! (precogs)
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That's all! Tweak as you feel necessary.

PSN Bow
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This will be upgraded, as you cannot have unupgraded supernovas (Duh?). So take 6 Supernovas (SN) and 5 entropy pendulums. Mark is light.
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Now, this is a bit of a jump, BUT it's important.
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So, we now have damage creatures. In a PSN rainbow, you have :entropy Pendulums and another main element. SCEM, which you can look up, uses gravity. I'll use light, and Pegasus (pegasii). So these are your damage guys, all cost ~4. Some less, no higher than though.
Let's add some support cards.
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Alright, here we have added Chaos Powers: These can buff the Pegasii so that when they dive (dive= for one :air quanta, double damage done for one turn) they do more damage. Also, momentum to avoid shields and add a little damage. These are best on pegasus. Also, Improved Heals. These may get you an Elemental Mastery and double coins.

A Nova Bow #2
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This will be nova based, no towers, but used Novas and upgraded cards. Yippe! :P
To start, grab your source of quanta; 6 novas.
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Then, we'll want to keep creatures at ~3 quanta. So find some good cheap damage.
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 6u1 718 74e 74e 74e 779 779 7ae 7ae 7gl 7gl 7gl 7jv 7n4 7tb 80a 80a 80a 8pk

We'll go with poisonous stuff, so Physalia's and poison, so take Death mark. Now, 4 cards left over: Precogs! :P
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This is a final version. While it is solid and doesn't get EM's, it can win in 6-9 turns. I usually don't use this kind of bow as I find myself lacking quanta, however with the Mulligan effect, you usually get 1-2 novas, so you can get most stuff out.

Immolation Nova
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Alright, for this we'll do an unupped Immolate nova and I'll show an upped Cremate Nova.
First, quanta source: 4 Cremates, 4 novas.
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Now, let's grab some fire creatures. We'll go with 4 lava golems and Earth mark.
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 8pm

Now, supporting creatures from other elements. We'll go with creatures that cost ~3
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Alright, so damage in, add 3 precogs to speed things up.
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And that's good!

A Cremate Nova, upgraded:
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A Quantum Tower based bow.
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With this, I'll have slightly higher creatures but it will be slower.
To start, no novas/supernovas/cremates/immolates.
This will be upgraded!
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6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq

No mark yet. Now, let's grab damage cards, about 4-6 total cost.
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6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6u1 6u1 745 77g 77g 7ae 7ae 7ae 7dq 7gm 7ju 7n4 7n4 7tb 7tb 80g 8pm

We'll go with those and earth mark for graboids and lava golem.
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Now precogs to speed up and you're good!

Alright! Outta spoiler tabs! Ya! Wait, no.
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Haha really? No.  >:D
Alrighty then, to review:

Rainbows have:
-Quanta source, typically cremation/immolation, nova/supernova, but rarely pillars.
-Usually 1 card from each element, or a way to utilize each element.
-Variety. Fun. Awesomeness.

AND: Please please please stop posting decks that are just tweaks. Please?

That's all. Questions? Comments?

Oh, and link to PSN Pegasii is:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20327.msg275643.html#msg275643
« Last Edit: June 14, 2012, 10:23:02 pm by willng3 »

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Re: So Who's Building A Speedbow? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20665.msg262478#msg262478
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2011, 02:58:51 am »
You should add a nova + immolation one, because the Stompy deckstyle is regarded as the fastest one of these overall.  When I am building a deck like these I do it the opposite way, usually start by adding in everything that might be useful and then making cuts down to 30 cards.

Also the upcoming change to Gemfinders will have us all rethinking our decks, so brace yourself for new waves of people posting the same ol' decks with a couple new cards.  : P

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Re: So Who's Building A Speedbow? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20665.msg262480#msg262480
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2011, 03:00:54 am »
Wow. This is quite comprehensive, well thought out and very nicely presented. I think this is ripe for our Tutorials section, even ;)

Great job!

Because I'm a pendulum noob, I'm going to have to tinker with your "PSN" Bow a bit. But why exactly is it Pegasus-based? Is this the best it can be? Are there any other variations?

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Re: So Who's Building A Speedbow? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20665.msg262483#msg262483
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2011, 03:02:31 am »
Because I'm a pendulum noob, I'm going to have to tinker with your "PSN" Bow a bit. But why exactly is it Pegasus-based? Is this the best it can be? Are there any other variations?
The main attacking creature in PSNbows depends largely on the mark.

For example, you can go with :gravity and Chargers, :fire and Golems, :darkness and Vampires/Gargoyles, etc.
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Re: So Who's Building A Speedbow? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20665.msg262485#msg262485
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2011, 03:05:25 am »
I would also like to ask you to provide an example of a Speedbow which includes Quantum Pillars/Towers as an alternative build which yields more consistency over the others (plus I think mentioning Da Fastest Speedbow Eva! might be appropriate here).  Nice thread, would be good to see this get moved into the Tutorials section.
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Re: So Who's Building A Speedbow? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20665.msg262512#msg262512
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2011, 03:46:40 am »
you only mentioned unupped nova bows
but we both know that there are upped nova bows, post those as well

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Re: So Who's Building A Speedbow? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20665.msg262704#msg262704
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2011, 12:41:16 pm »
You should add a nova + immolation one, because the Stompy deckstyle is regarded as the fastest one of these overall.  When I am building a deck like these I do it the opposite way, usually start by adding in everything that might be useful and then making cuts down to 30 cards.

Also the upcoming change to Gemfinders will have us all rethinking our decks, so brace yourself for new waves of people posting the same ol' decks with a couple new cards.  : P
To the rest you, I'll get on it. Plastiqe, thanks for reminder. Whats up with Gemfinders?

ICB, it's pegasus based because I made that deck a while back and it's pretty solid. SCEM (jmdt) is a PSN rainbow but uses chargers instead of Pegasus and has gravity mark.

EDIT: Found out. I like it, but in a cremate/gemfinder deck it will be abusable. Now we just need a hope shield for earth :D

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Re: So Who's Building A Speedbow? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20665.msg267608#msg267608
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2011, 11:35:57 am »


Good points Nadrin.

I have sort of stopped reading through the deck-sections because there is just toooooo many of them.
I would mostly just end up with the "latest" fad, which is all too often just a tweak of some very basic,
been there done that, -deck-concept.
This is especially annoying when the thread-title is something like "DR. AWESOME'S awesome PSN-deck".

Perhaps, people should abandon the idea of being the "inventor" of a deck too ...
I mean, it's not like the functionality of a card and most of it's possible synergies
haven't been considered before, by the game developer who cares for balancing for example.  ;)
Hence, I stick with Platon: The ideal concept of an item has always been there.
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