Post by: Getawu2 on December 26, 2009, 09:52:53 am
This deck was posted before the 1.32 game update and as a result may work very differently now. Use at your own risk.
(http://www.d78.de/images/1261819744SmallOtydeck.jpg)
Mark is Gravity
Well, I have been testing a 30 card - Otydeck even before the sundial nerf but ended with a 60 card one (as can still be seen in the FG-section).
After the nerf I tried some variations and ended up with this. I replaced the Feral Bonds with Shard of Gratitude, as they are better in early game and reduce the need of Life quanta (FFQ and FD need enough of it; though you get less EMs). Gravity as a mark (in a deck without Hourglasses and Supernovas) assures that you can eat your opponents creatures or destroy his shields/weapons with your pulverizer, even if you have no pillars (because of quicksands for example).
As the deck has nothing to draw cards it needs two of every key card - expect Eternity which is mainly meant to prevent decking out. It needs a relativly high amount of Pillars, too, but I think the balance is ok now.
I use this deck against FG and AI5 - it has an almost 100 % win rate against AI5 (IIRC I only lost against immortal creatures once or twice and because of decking out once and due to Fire Storms / Plagues once or twice which can be normaly prevented by playing only 2 creatures). Concerning FG it has some problems against Scorpio and Rainbow and even Morte if he get's an early Arsenic, but I'm thinking of adding Quintessence when it's available to protect one or two Otyughs which may help. I haven't made statistics against FG yet, but it may win perhaps about 50 % (but that was mainly played with FB instead of SoG). Of course you can play the deck with FBs instead of the SoG - I would take 2 of them and a Phase Shield or third Bone Wall in that case. I don't know if it works unupgraded, but I think you really need the upgraded Otyughs.
edit: the version with sundials I'm using against FGs atm: I started statistics against FG before 1.17 and had a win rate of about 70 % (20 games) may be a bit less with the new version against some gods.
(http://www.d78.de/images/126273250140cardoty.JPG)
edit: As the imagehoster doesn't show the images anymore and the deck is still a great AI5-farmer and good FG-deck, I repost the deck codes (and hope I remember them correctly)
30-card-version:
With quints:
With sundials:
Feral Bond may be replaced with another Tower
Post by: Kamietsu on December 26, 2009, 10:14:50 am
Post by: kulssung on December 26, 2009, 08:54:29 pm
Please keep us updated on how it performs and any revisions you make to the deck.
Post by: Celidion on December 26, 2009, 08:56:57 pm
After reading your experience with the deck, I come to like it also, especially its "slimness". I have most of the cards in the deck except the SoGs (sidenote: which AI is the best to farm for shards?).No AI has SoG's, it was a reward for donation. A few people have SoG's in Top 50.
Please keep us updated on how it performs and any revisions you make to the deck.
Post by: kulssung on December 26, 2009, 09:22:44 pm
Does any AI drop the regular un-upg shard? If not, is it going to become available in the near future?After reading your experience with the deck, I come to like it also, especially its "slimness". I have most of the cards in the deck except the SoGs (sidenote: which AI is the best to farm for shards?).No AI has SoG's, it was a reward for donation. A few people have SoG's in Top 50.
Please keep us updated on how it performs and any revisions you make to the deck.
Post by: Celidion on December 26, 2009, 09:31:04 pm
I doubt it, I'm pretty sure they will remain donation or Top 50 only.Does any AI drop the regular un-upg shard? If not, is it going to become available in the near future?After reading your experience with the deck, I come to like it also, especially its "slimness". I have most of the cards in the deck except the SoGs (sidenote: which AI is the best to farm for shards?).No AI has SoG's, it was a reward for donation. A few people have SoG's in Top 50.
Please keep us updated on how it performs and any revisions you make to the deck.
Post by: kulssung on December 26, 2009, 10:37:11 pm
Post by: Celidion on December 27, 2009, 01:18:03 am
Post by: Getawu2 on December 27, 2009, 10:34:49 am
No problem, also why don't you use graveyards. They're better than Queens in most cases and are cheaper. Just some food for though.Well, there are a lot of reasons, though I have to admit they were one of the last cards I threw out of the deck.
- I need the quanta for the Bone Walls - and don't have anything else that uses Air Quanta
- I don't use Sundials or Phase Shields or Feral Bonds - I devour enemy creatures right away without slowing the game down before I use Fire Storm (though they are in the deck for a backup and to make large creatures eatable) - so FFQ produces creatures as fast as a Graveyard and doesn't depend on enemy creatures. And without Feral Bonds one 4-2 Firefly is about as good as 2 2-2 Skeletons, depending on the shields may be even better.
- FFQ is a creature. So it can be freezed and gravity pulled and lobotomized and hitten by Lightnings or Fire Bolts to protect the Otys and FDs. Quiet an advantage to graveyards in many situations.
So, if you don't use SoGs you might replace the FFQs by Graveyards or add them - and if you are mainly facing False Gods. But especially against AI5 with it's Lightnings FFQ is much better.
Post by: Celidion on December 27, 2009, 02:02:40 pm
Oh okay, thanks for the explanation. I forgot you don't use bonds so it makes sense.No problem, also why don't you use graveyards. They're better than Queens in most cases and are cheaper. Just some food for though.Well, there are a lot of reasons, though I have to admit they were one of the last cards I threw out of the deck.
- I need the quanta for the Bone Walls - and don't have anything else that uses Air Quanta
- I don't use Sundials or Phase Shields or Feral Bonds - I devour enemy creatures right away without slowing the game down before I use Fire Storm (though they are in the deck for a backup and to make large creatures eatable) - so FFQ produces creatures as fast as a Graveyard and doesn't depend on enemy creatures. And without Feral Bonds one 4-2 Firefly is about as good as 2 2-2 Skeletons, depending on the shields may be even better.
- FFQ is a creature. So it can be freezed and gravity pulled and lobotomized and hitten by Lightnings or Fire Bolts to protect the Otys and FDs. Quiet an advantage to graveyards in many situations.
So, if you don't use SoGs you might replace the FFQs by Graveyards or add them - and if you are mainly facing False Gods. But especially against AI5 with it's Lightnings FFQ is much better.
Post by: Getawu2 on December 28, 2009, 09:32:01 am
edit: Quintessence helped me to win against Obliterator (making a FFQ immortal and drawing the gravity pulls to the Fireflys works well against him) and some other gods, too. Though it makes the deck a bit slower against opponents without creature control.
Oh yeah, and the deck has no chance against Devine Glory.
Post by: Essence on December 29, 2009, 10:29:27 pm
My final deck includes everything in the 32-card deck mentioned above, plus 3 Electrum Hourglasses, 1 Bone Wall, 2 Quantum Towers -- oh, but I forgot that I replaced 2 SoG with Feral Bonds because I needed more health/turn in the late game.
That said, with Mark of Gravity and several Otys/Pulvs, its easy to gain control of the field, and that's really the critical element. Quintessence really is a key addition to the deck. In my mind, at least, this is an excellent replacement for the "ultimate" godkiller.
Post by: Getawu2 on December 30, 2009, 02:43:02 pm
In many situations the deck needs one or two moves while the enemy doesn't attack - in those situation sundials help. It increases the chances of a bad draw, but nevertheless it helped me to win the first game against Seism with that deck :) I used a 40 card - version: the 32 cards + 6 updated sundials + 1 extra Quantum Tower + 1 extra Quintessence and replaced one of the SoG by a Feral Bond.
Nevertheless, I wouldn't use that version against AI 5 - against them the 30 or 32 card version should be much better.
Post by: ozmiz on January 01, 2010, 06:11:59 am
Thanks to how fast and well it worked, I now have 2 Shards of Gratitude, 1 Shard of Divinity, and the odd misc weapon or creature.
Thanks for the tip on this deck.
Things I noticed:
With 4 Otyughs I usually have a high chance of getting one out fast in this slim deck.
Keeping the Deflag helped on occassion when a Pulverizer would just refuse to show up.
Surprised I didn't miss the boneyard; the life Quanta had to be handled carefully but still worked out just fine.
Great deck.. I used with good success on the easier FG's, could farm top50 with good success, A5 Elemental Mastery wins except when the regen cards drew last or just lost due to a bad draw.. easy wins mostly too.
Post by: Avenger on January 01, 2010, 06:19:37 pm
Post by: elfreth on January 01, 2010, 07:39:53 pm
Post by: elfreth on January 01, 2010, 08:11:31 pm
Miracle and I just discussed your deck. Miracle gave up an Improved Miracle and an Elite Queen after I convinced him of the decks abilities ;) Great ideas, thanks!One tip, if you don't draw a Oty or Shard in the first 20 cards, you're screwed :(
Post by: Delreich on January 05, 2010, 11:07:14 pm
Post by: Essence on January 05, 2010, 11:29:15 pm
Post by: Getawu2 on January 23, 2010, 10:35:08 pm
edit: and after the update to 1.18:
http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=2948083226 (http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=2948083226)
Post by: Getawu2 on February 12, 2010, 05:14:30 pm
So, if anyone else wants to continue doing stats feel free.
Post by: Zac33333 on February 28, 2010, 06:18:54 am
T50 Drops unupped shards, and sometimes you can win a shard (Either SoD or SoG) from FGS..I almost did once.I doubt it, I'm pretty sure they will remain donation or Top 50 only.Does any AI drop the regular un-upg shard? If not, is it going to become available in the near future?After reading your experience with the deck, I come to like it also, especially its "slimness". I have most of the cards in the deck except the SoGs (sidenote: which AI is the best to farm for shards?).No AI has SoG's, it was a reward for donation. A few people have SoG's in Top 50.
Please keep us updated on how it performs and any revisions you make to the deck.
Post by: Wisemage on February 28, 2010, 11:39:34 pm
Post by: Essence on March 03, 2010, 10:12:54 am
And zac, everyone has a slim chance at winning a SoD from a False God -- but SoGs are from t50 only.
Post by: got a wish on March 11, 2010, 07:54:38 pm
Post by: MrBlonde on March 11, 2010, 08:41:38 pm
Post by: $$$man on March 31, 2010, 01:13:14 am
Post by: ddviper001 on March 31, 2010, 02:16:26 am
and play golden hourglasses and change mark to time
Post by: Getawu2 on March 31, 2010, 05:41:09 am
does the deck work good un-uppedI haven't tried it, but I think the Otys should be upgraded - the two additional HP really help.