Shak'ars Revenge (FG-Voodoo)

[dingo]

If you TU a doll that has BB and Pull, only the BB transfers to the new doll.  So I don't understand how this deck works.  I just played Jezebel with this deck because that was the deck that is recommended, but all I ended up with is one 60 hp doll with pull and three other 60hp dolls without pull that did nothing for me.  Even if I drew all three pulls in the deck, that is only 180 damage, which wouldnt be enough to kill the FG.  What am I missing here?

[omegareaper7]

If you TU a doll that has BB and Pull, only the BB transfers to the new doll.  So I don't understand how this deck works.  I just played Jezebel with this deck because that was the deck that is recommended, but all I ended up with is one 60 hp doll with pull and three other 60hp dolls without pull that did nothing for me.  Even if I drew all three pulls in the deck, that is only 180 damage, which wouldnt be enough to kill the FG.  What am I missing here?

You TU the dolls after they take damage, that way the new TU'd dolls have the life the other one does but it still deals damage because it counts as them taking damage still.

[dingo]

If you TU a doll that has BB and Pull, only the BB transfers to the new doll.  So I don't understand how this deck works.  I just played Jezebel with this deck because that was the deck that is recommended, but all I ended up with is one 60 hp doll with pull and three other 60hp dolls without pull that did nothing for me.  Even if I drew all three pulls in the deck, that is only 180 damage, which wouldnt be enough to kill the FG.  What am I missing here?

You TU the dolls after they take damage, that way the new TU'd dolls have the life the other one does but it still deals damage because it counts as them taking damage still.

Okay, I tried it again and this time TU the doll after it had taken 59 damage and won.  Thanks

[Tymalous]

Today I bought an 1/3 upgraded voodoo deck after reading this thread

by Tymalous

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(idk what the random card is)
I'll post some results after I play some games

[Tymalous]

Just some notes: after about 15 games i expirience i have bad draws way too often: only 1 pendulum>i have to discard 2 cards, so I think ill be upgrading pendulums now before other things

EDIT: after 30 games i got this:
Won: 5
Lost: 25
Cards: 2

Upugraded this deck really isn't good, but the speed makes up for it. As I really started to like this deck, i decided to sell my other deck and to upgrade the deck to 2/3 upgraded.

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[Tymalous]

Ok after 75+ games i have only 1 question: how do you manage to get 33% wins? I win only 16-20% mainly due to bad draws/momentum/reverse time...
I have almost upgraded the deck and still i'm losing way too much....
Am i doing something wrong or is it just bad luck?

[pikachufan2164]

Ok after 75+ games i have only 1 question: how do you manage to get 33% wins? I win only 16-20% mainly due to bad draws/momentum/reverse time...
I have almost upgraded the deck and still i'm losing way too much....
Am i doing something wrong or is it just bad luck?

Maybe a mixture of both. That ~33% win rate you see was for v1.26 -- before the AI got smarter and knew how to deal with the Dolls. As of v1.27, I would estimate a win rate of 20-25% if you play the deck optimally.

You'll need to get a feel for when and on what to use each card before you can get a decent win rate with it. If you play it as a "slot machine," you'll get a ~15% win rate.

Your sample size might also be too small to make a statistically significant decision.

[Tymalous]

It seemed i had really bad luck... Today i think i had a win % of 30%+ and i won a lot of cards (relatively)..
I guess this deck really depends on luck.
After the sour part comes the sweet part=)

Edit: And now i have an full upgraded voodoo deck
Voodoo rules!

[Jangoo]

It seemed i had really bad luck... Today i think i had a win % of 30%+ and i won a lot of cards (relatively)..
I guess this deck really depends on luck.
After the sour part comes the sweet part=)

Edit: And now i have an full upgraded voodoo deck
Voodoo rules!

Congratulations! You seem to like stats ... may I recommend  THIS  (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21654.0.html) piece of tech for your convenience? 

Pikachus estimation of the decks performance under 1.27 pretty much matches mine.
The trick is still to not lose any time and move on with the games ... lots of sweet parts
and even more sour parts are totally intended.

I have started to (slowly) take some new stats and am having one hell of a start.
Although I am expecting lots of sour to come my way, I must say that the rewind-"fix"
seems to be balanced a bit by the fact that 4 out of 5 new FGs are no real problem
for Shak'ar.

[Tymalous]

It seemed i had really bad luck... Today i think i had a win % of 30%+ and i won a lot of cards (relatively)..
I guess this deck really depends on luck.
After the sour part comes the sweet part=)

Edit: And now i have an full upgraded voodoo deck
Voodoo rules!

Congratulations! You seem to like stats ... may I recommend  THIS  (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21654.0.html) piece of tech for your convenience? 

Pikachus estimation of the decks performance under 1.27 pretty much matches mine.
The trick is still to not lose any time and move on with the games ... lots of sweet parts
and even more sour parts are totally intended.

I have started to (slowly) take some new stats and am having one hell of a start.
Although I am expecting lots of sour to come my way, I must say that the rewind-"fix"
seems to be balanced a bit by the fact that 4 out of 5 new FGs are no real problem
for Shak'ar.

Thanks for the reply, I'll try to make some statistics later..
You are right, rewind has been balanced by the new gods, which I think are pretty easy as you said except Lionheart.
After I fully upgraded my deck and played another 100 games I did get the 32% win with new gods and while skipping rewind gods/gravitron. I did lose a ot of score since buying this deck but that's no real problem.
So far the only gods that are troubeling me except the ones I skip are Miracle, Octane and Chaos Lord and Hermes (about 20-30%win). Against the others I get about I think 40-50%+ or even more.
Man I love your deck!

[Wise One]

First of all, hello! This is my first post, but that doesn't mean I'm new to the game or forums. I've been on this game since... I don't really remember. But there were no alchemy cards when I first played.(antimatter, liquid shadow, Etc). Considering that, my score is pretty low (partly thanks to this deck). But as I'm building an evil PVP deck right now, it'll rise late (that's IF I get a good pvp deck)

Enough of the off-topicness. When I first used this deck, it had what, 10 upgrades? Now I have 27, and I would have upgraded the gravity pulls had I not been trying out different pvp decks (and eventually saying "meh, this isn't as good as i though" and selling them, to lose lots of electrum). So, it works well, except for the times when
1. RNG gives me chaos lord, osiris, destiny Etc. sometimes lots of times in a row. I find there are many hard matchups.
2. Bad draws/ hand. Starting hand- 5 TUs and 2 precogs is certain loss VS hermes. And i sometimes don't draw BB/TU when I need it.
3. Aaaaand, there's also the case where ferox plays 3 Jade dragons, thus suprising me and killing my voodoo. And eventually killing ME.

 Those were the cons, but what i loved was-
how it can beat some gods standard rainbow has trouble with (A.K.A obliterator)
It's fun to play.
It's extremely speedy, making for the losses.

Overall, wonderfull FG killer that fits my taste and is effective at the same time (that's pretty hard to fullfill)

So, three cheers for shakaar! May he get his revenge!

And Jangoo, I'll be hoping you make another fun FG killer when new cards come up

[TheKingJelly]

Okay, im going to put this in the kindest way possible. This is the worst deck idea i have ever seen for its money. The story is cool i guess, but i didnt even read it. I suggest that at the top of the page, you put a disclaimer that this deck is NOT a recommended deck for anyone. I have tested it 300 times, and had 15 wins. I did use your strategy. I did use my strategy. I did do anything i could to win. NOTHING works! I won the first time and the last time. In between those two wins, i think i wasted anough electrum testing this ''deck''. I guess someone had to come up with a deck that utilized these new cards.

None of the variations worked. I have spent _/wasted over 75K elec on this deck.

To sum it all up, Thanks for the deck idea!! Hope you come up with many many more!