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Quick Draw Dragons[upped][PVP2][pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27119.msg344588#msg344588
« on: June 01, 2011, 09:08:02 pm »
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1. Deck Versions: I hate colossal dragons too, so I can recommend using an elite charger
I like earth dragons, but shrieker(upped, 2 more damage + 1 SN early) is good here too if you want, just that it doesn't get sky blitz boost.
Both these edits are truthfully probably more effective, but a) I don't have that many upped cards b) no blitz boost
Lone Discord to use the excess entropy quanta, that builds up of mark, because nothing else is good enough in the  :entropy

yes the precogs and cloaks are better upped,

2. Protips: You're screwed if you don't draw atleast one SN in the first few turns
I do not play this as an OTK, because I don't really appreciate OTK's, however by the time I get the 5th SN, I often have an OTK hand set out.
Cloaks ftw, because the both protect sundials + discord, and then after the 5th SN, they protect your dragons if you don't have an OTK.
I sometimes hold on for the OTK, if I see there is something to stop me.
Pandemonium goes through Cloak
Weapons go through Sundial, too often have I lost to timing a sundial correctly, only to have the weapon hit through
If your hand is full, toss excess cloaks (if you already have what you want), then colossal dragon, then precogs
If you have one  :entropy quanta, you can play a sundial, then at the end of the turn get one more quanta. Use the 2 :entropy quanta to play the SN that will let you activate the sundial, and thus not waste the sundial.


3. Analysis Dragon OTK? must have lots of stall? No, because this is surprisingly fast, because it gets through all the cards quickly
12 cards are self replacing, as in spend a card to draw a card so 18 cards, -7 for 11 turns maximum till deckout *not counting discards)
But it still plays out like a stall in many ways.

Loss conditions: faster rush that sundials can't stop, no quick SN, Dim Shields

4. Deck Notes: Yes I have used Essence's tagging system, because I mean why not?

Based in part on Hourglass1andonly, for the idea of  :entropy mark + 6x Supernova + 6x Sundial: the 6x precog was my own fun.

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Re: Quick Draw Dragons[upped][PVP2][pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27119.msg350697#msg350697
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2011, 08:01:15 pm »
Looks interesting, giving it a spin. I don't have that many precogs, should I buy or can I substitute Electrum Hourglasses?

Also, I assume I should use upped dragons if I have them?

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Re: Quick Draw Dragons[upped][PVP2][pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27119.msg350705#msg350705
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2011, 08:09:49 pm »
buy the unupped precogs
you won't be able to play some upped dragons with only 6 snovas, and most unupped dragons can be launched one snova earlier.

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Re: Quick Draw Dragons[upped][PVP2][pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27119.msg350707#msg350707
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2011, 08:13:08 pm »
This is a fun deck, don't blow your money on this, unless you have extra electrum,
but the deck in the OP isn't fully upgraded, all the precogs should be upgraded

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Re: Quick Draw Dragons[upped][PVP2][pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27119.msg350802#msg350802
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2011, 10:15:24 pm »
buy the unupped precogs
you won't be able to play some upped dragons with only 6 snovas, and most unupped dragons can be launched one snova earlier.
Thanks, that's what I thought.

Edit: Whee! This deck is fun!!
Also weak against Neurotoxin though.

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Re: Quick Draw Dragons[upped][PVP2][pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27119.msg350832#msg350832
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2011, 11:45:27 pm »
do you usually draw the supernovas?

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Re: Quick Draw Dragons[upped][PVP2][pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27119.msg350876#msg350876
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2011, 01:13:27 am »
I had an upped Pandemonium which I subbed for the Discord and I switched the Parallel Universe for a Dim Shield. I find them useful in emergencies.

The first turn is a problem if you win the toss. Basically have to discard something because there's nothing you can play yet. Unless I'm missing something.

Just my thoughts. Definitely a fun deck.

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Re: Quick Draw Dragons[upped][PVP2][pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27119.msg350920#msg350920
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2011, 03:08:24 am »
I believe you meant going second is a problem.
If you go first, The trick is to try not to play anything on the first turn (0 quanta) then draw 1 card
then on the second turn, when your hand is full play a sundial.
On the next turn, activate the SN, which will you give you the :light quanta to activate the Sundial
Proceed to chain sundials, play SN's, use precogs etc...

If you go second, then your hand will be full before you can do anything
My order of discards is cloak (depending on the deck, sometimes you will need cloak for PC/CC protection), then collosal/stone dragon (if you aren't using the Twin Universe, tossing  the precog first), then tossing any precogs. You should have atleast one of the above cards, otherwise play a sundial

What you guys really need is a video, because some people just don't understand this deck, but some of you have been successful with it.

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Re: Quick Draw Dragons[upped][PVP2][pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27119.msg351037#msg351037
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2011, 08:31:17 am »
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it wins more consistently than my version of VNG but it takes around 8 TTW so VNG is usually faster .
cloak is a nice idea but no towers/pillars means you'll HAVE to draw 5 snovas at least and a single black hole is enough to screw your plan.

deck /w/l/total/%win
Dragon otk   51   24   75   68.00%
VNG   49   26   75   65.33%

that's vs top50 and NOT  counting farms
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Re: Quick Draw Dragons[upped][PVP2][pillarless] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27119.msg351203#msg351203
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2011, 04:55:24 pm »
I believe you meant going second is a problem.
If you go first, The trick is to try not to play anything on the first turn (0 quanta) then draw 1 card
then on the second turn, when your hand is full play a sundial.
On the next turn, activate the SN, which will you give you the :light quanta to activate the Sundial
Proceed to chain sundials, play SN's, use precogs etc...

If you go second, then your hand will be full before you can do anything
My order of discards is cloak (depending on the deck, sometimes you will need cloak for PC/CC protection), then collosal/stone dragon (if you aren't using the Twin Universe, tossing  the precog first), then tossing any precogs. You should have atleast one of the above cards, otherwise play a sundial

What you guys really need is a video, because some people just don't understand this deck, but some of you have been successful with it.
Yes, that's exactly what I meant, just didn't say it clearly.

Thanks,
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