Scarab Scavengers

[Scaredgirl]

Yeah, Gemini can go crazy sometimes and when he does there's nothing you can do. But generally I don't think he is that big of a problem with this deck. Some other Gods pose much greater threat.

unupgraded elf - mutate is much more versatile than lobotomize ..

We are talking about Scarab deck here. Not Elves or Ulitharids.

Btw.. unupgraded elf SUCKS. I've heard that idea many times before by new players who thought they had a great idea. When you have tried both versions more than 1-2 times, you will understand why everyone uses upgraded ones.

[cdgx]

Didn't say that you can't use both, i do

Unupgraded as control (usually using on opponents creatures), upgraded for boosting my own.

[Scaredgirl]

Didn't say that you can't use both, i do

Unupgraded as control (usually using on opponents creatures), upgraded for boosting my own.

Doesn't matter how many unupgraded Elves you have, they still suck.

Upgraded Elf can be used in both offense and defense, but unupgraded Elf sucks in offense because he creates weak Abominations or even kills you own guys.

There are situations where unupgraded one is better but in general upgraded one is much better.

[cdgx]

Ok. Let's put it so

1. Using upgraded elf = good
2. Using maxwell's/ulitharid = bad
3. Using unupgraded elf instead of upgraded elf = bad
4. Using unupgraded elf instead of maxwell's/ulitharid = good.
5. Using 1 and 4 at same time = very good

and yes, i know, wrong thread

[Scaredgirl]

Ok. Let's put it so

1. Using upgraded elf = good
2. Using maxwell's/ulitharid = bad
3. Using unupgraded elf instead of upgraded elf = bad
4. Using unupgraded elf instead of maxwell's/ulitharid = good.
5. Using 1 and 4 at same time = very good

and yes, i know, wrong thread

Yeah.. I think you need a little more experience with this game. Lets have this conversation again after a couple of weeks. You seem to have some fundamental flaws with your logic and you are clearly going to hold to your beliefs no matter what I say.

[Evil Hamster]

Where do you get that flawed logic that an unupgraded elf is ever good?

Theres a 10% chance it will kill its target. Maybe you will get lucky once in a while using this against your opponent- but if you want creature control, there are many better cards. Use an upgraded one to mutate your skeletons/fireflys/whatever you have you don't need- and in the rare circumstances you need to, use it on an opponent's dangerous creature.

[cdgx]

so how exactly do you control momentum+8/30 dragon+twinning it .. (or any other creature with no activated ability but big health and smaller attack)

cant destroy with maxwell
cant lobotomize (nothing to lobotomize)
while unupgraded elf changes it to either 5/5 mutant (which is easily controllable by oty/scarab) , kills it, or in 10% of cases might change it to something other (half of them scary tho)
also, in endgame when you have nothing to do with entropy, it's a good card to bounce up and down (although usually fireflies are good for that too)

either by freezing (not s permanent solution),
using upgraded elf (too big chance to get something scary),
bouncing ( then again, eternity is for antimilling yourself),
 waiting until poison ticks it down (right..),

anything more ?


more?

[Uncle Jellyfish]

so how exactly do you control momentum+8/30 dragon+twinning it .. (or any other creature with no activated ability but big health and smaller attack)

cant destroy with maxwell
cant lobotomize (nothing to lobotomize)
while unupgraded elf changes it to either 5/5 mutant (which is easily controllable by oty/scarab) , kills it, or in 10% of cases might change it to something other (half of them scary tho)
also, in endgame when you have nothing to do with entropy, it's a good card to bounce up and down (although usually fireflies are good for that too)

either by freezing (not s permanent solution),
using upgraded elf (too big chance to get something scary),
bouncing ( then again, eternity is for antimilling yourself),
 waiting until poison ticks it down (right..),

anything more ?


more?

Lobotomize gets rid of Momentum, which is vital against Gemini.

[turin]

so how exactly do you control momentum+8/30 dragon+twinning it .. (or any other creature with no activated ability but big health and smaller attack)

cant destroy with maxwell
cant lobotomize (nothing to lobotomize)
while unupgraded elf changes it to either 5/5 mutant (which is easily controllable by oty/scarab) , kills it, or in 10% of cases might change it to something other (half of them scary tho)
also, in endgame when you have nothing to do with entropy, it's a good card to bounce up and down (although usually fireflies are good for that too)

either by freezing (not s permanent solution),
using upgraded elf (too big chance to get something scary),
bouncing ( then again, eternity is for antimilling yourself),
 waiting until poison ticks it down (right..),

anything more ?


more?

Lobotomize gets rid of Momentum, which is vital against Gemini.

The point is that upgraded elf, so druid, will turn anything with momentum in another momentumed creature.
What does it means?
Mean that you dont have to fear any scary ability (devour, mutate, steal, destroy, etc.) because the mutant will have only momentum. And surely will have less than 30 life. So just try until you get something eatable by otyughs and kill it!

[cdgx]

ahh, thanks, that finally explains things somewhat.

except of course, that unupgraded does same thing, except that there is much less chance to get anything so big that oty can't eat it right away.
and originally my idea was to use unupgraded elf instead of demon or mind flayer (not instead of upgraded elf) -, which both are very situational, while elf is more general, but scaredgirl likes to use ulitharid everywhere, searched for logical reasoning (not "play 2 weeks more" , but that's scaredgirl )

[turin]

ahh, thanks, that finally explains things somewhat.

except of course, that unupgraded does same thing, except that there is much less chance to get anything so big that oty can't eat it right away.
and originally my idea was to use unupgraded elf instead of demon or mind flayer (not instead of upgraded elf) -, which both are very situational, while elf is more general, but scaredgirl likes to use ulitharid everywhere, searched for logical reasoning (not "play 2 weeks more" , but that's scaredgirl )

Ulitharid everywhere? Hevent seen then in many FG decks.
Ulith isnt a good card for FG: quite useful in the beginning, will became more and more useless in advanced match: an otyugh will do truly better, and will be needed even if you have an ulith on field: lobotomizing dragons isnt so useful

[Essence]

I agree, I swapped out my Ulitharid for an Electrocutor and an Octopus weeks ago.