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Quadruple-Machine Guns Redux https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31332.msg396801#msg396801
« on: September 21, 2011, 04:13:33 pm »
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I've been playing around with this deck concept since the start of last war, it is crazy fragile, stupidly fast, and surprisingly stable.

In a 90 game test against ai3 its testing out at a 5.55 ttw - and finishes around 25% of its games in 4 turns.
It's possible that a little more speed can be squeezed out of the deck - the Physalia and Phoenix might not be the most efficient attackers.

Feel free to give me feedback or criticize my deck building skills - and thanks for taking a look.

This deck makes me afraid of the new SoR now in beta - Karty and I did the math - it can't quite get a 2ttw - but 96 damage in 2 turns is crazy fast.
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Re: Quadruple-Machine Guns Redux https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31332.msg396803#msg396803
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2011, 04:17:36 pm »
Yeah I met you messing around in Platinum Arena with this.
2 x draw is VERY scary with this deck.

Nice deck! Prone to bad draws I guess but absolutely lethal with a good draw.

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Re: Quadruple-Machine Guns Redux https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31332.msg396806#msg396806
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2011, 04:18:48 pm »
Yay, I <3 Nightmare!  Very, very fast deck.  Only (minor) problem is that it can take a little bit of time to get used to ("Should I Epi this or wait for a buff?  Do I split the Deja Vu or play another?), but once you get the feel of it the games go wicked fast.  Yet another impressive deck, Jen-I.
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Re: Quadruple-Machine Guns Redux https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31332.msg396820#msg396820
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2011, 04:54:46 pm »
physalia and phoenix seem out of place at first glance...after a few tries i can see their use but still i would better the chances for nightmare.
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Re: Quadruple-Machine Guns Redux https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31332.msg396838#msg396838
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2011, 05:32:24 pm »
You should give credits to hrmmm's Quadruple Machinegun in the OP, dude. It's the same idea and pretty much the same name too. Looks like a combination of hrmmm's Quadruple Machinegun and Essence's Little Miss Fire.

I like hrmmm's deck more than this one, as it's faster and seems more stable too. Also, it seems to have less bad draws.

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Re: Quadruple-Machine Guns Redux https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31332.msg396842#msg396842
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2011, 05:38:40 pm »
Maybe -Physalia  +Ball of lightning, with so many bufs it can be lethal.
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Re: Quadruple-Machine Guns Redux https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31332.msg396862#msg396862
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2011, 06:11:42 pm »
I like it a lot and got a 4TTW with only a few games played
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Re: Quadruple-Machine Guns Redux https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31332.msg396868#msg396868
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2011, 06:24:08 pm »
You should give credits to hrmmm's Quadruple Machinegun in the OP, dude. It's the same idea and pretty much the same name too.
Um - the title is credit to hrmm's deck - which I had never seen the post for before I went to post this deck. Redux simple means redone. As in this deck is Hrmm's deck redone.

As to your other comments.
My testing so far puts this deck at 5.55 ttw - kirch's testing of the original was just over 7ttw (I looked it up since you mentioned the post)

The origin of this deck starts during the lead up to War #3, jmdt and I were discussing the possibilities for a :time rush deck, and he suggested an unupped deck similar to this called Mini-Machine Guns - that deck may have been inspired by hrmm - but I don't actually know. I've been tinkering with the deck since then - considering its possible use in Champions League or war. In the end the deck is too fragile for most PvP matches, but is stupidly fast.

As to stability in 90 games I've had 1 loss - and only 4 games with a ttw or 9 or more - so stability seems fairly solid. My experience tells me that while PSNbows gain speed they also lose significant stability due to needing a combo just to get the quanta started. Its the same comment I made with my Pestal deck, moving to a PSN quanta engine allows the potential for a turn 2 fractal, but introduces all sorts of instability to the deck.

This deck really wants a nova to start the deck, but I've had multiple 6 or 7 turn wins with no nova at all.

Calindu - I love the idea of BLight in the deck - and it probably is faster, but it also introduces some instability (it messes with the mulligan). I imagine that might actually cause the deck to be faster in a ttw study, the games where it messes with the mulligan are likely losses anyways. However it will also increase the loss rate of the deck as well. Either someone would need to do the math to figure it out or we'd have to do a test of much more than 200 games.
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Re: Quadruple-Machine Guns Redux https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31332.msg397051#msg397051
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2011, 10:45:20 pm »
I love this deck :D

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Re: Quadruple-Machine Guns Redux https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31332.msg397057#msg397057
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2011, 10:56:11 pm »
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Re: Quadruple-Machine Guns Redux https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31332.msg397113#msg397113
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2011, 01:12:30 am »
Like phoenix and physalia nightmare is includes as an efficient attacker. 1 quanta for 8ish damage is hard to beat
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Re: Quadruple-Machine Guns Redux https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31332.msg397193#msg397193
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2011, 05:36:09 am »
i'd say remove minor phoenix for explosion, not sure what to change the phy for yet.

but anyways, really nice deck. pretty solid as it's really fast and now you can scream at your opponent: I HAZ A QUADRUPLE MACHINE GUN!!!
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