Post by: Antagon on June 05, 2010, 08:28:33 pm
i never lost a match at beginners league last season playing it, and i won a tournament and 2 times was 3rd with using this deck most of the time.
if you exspect a mirrormatch or a golem/phoenix rush, you should take out the Momentums and add a Black Hole and add a blessing, or still a momentum (if opponent decides to go aether-lock), or a vampire dagger (he have to deflag it+arsenics too) or a basilisk blood, reverse time, many options.
it is definitly one of the greatest unupgraded pvp-decks atm, you could beat any other deck, problems are mono-entropy with lots of antimatters and golem rushes with 2 fast golems (first turn is very hard).
i post this deck now, cause i saw many, many similar decks this tourney, and it is more or less public now, but i never played a mirror at previous beginners league season.
*edit*: updated deck-code for earth-mark
Post by: Rastafla on June 05, 2010, 10:45:07 pm
It wasn't so bad as I have a good counter to it. And if people used it they lost against me.
Post by: finkel on June 06, 2010, 01:29:57 am
Post by: sSethia on June 06, 2010, 06:20:11 am
Fire shield and spine carapace come to mind, especially protected. If one of those bad-boys are in play before you're up and running, you can pretty much kiss your ass goodbye.That's true for every deck though.
Post by: Antagon on June 06, 2010, 12:51:17 pm
Fire shield and spine carapace come to mind, especially protected. If one of those bad-boys are in play before you're up and running, you can pretty much kiss your ass goodbye.but how many of them you have in your deck? and protected? also not THAT usefull against graboids/shriekers, 2 deflags in deck also ok and it is way faster.
Post by: Svenningen on June 07, 2010, 09:14:01 pm
This was almost a complete copy of what i by accident posted in chat in tonights western tournament. Ive been using it for several months too.The one u posted by accident did me good, however i did some slight mods, and i believe its what i used vs antagon, that and a mono-entropy deck that i have lost :(
It wasn't so bad as I have a good counter to it. And if people used it they lost against me.
Post by: Svenningen on June 08, 2010, 10:17:33 am
This was almost a complete copy of what i by accident posted in chat in tonights western tournament. Ive been using it for several months too.
It wasn't so bad as I have a good counter to it. And if people used it they lost against me.
As I recall I beat u with it :P just getting on ur case here ^^
Ive modded it slliiightly and I keep making new mods all the time, but its an awesome deck.
Post by: Avenger on June 09, 2010, 02:04:18 pm
Especially if you can take their few pillars away.
Post by: Antagon on June 09, 2010, 05:09:54 pm
Post by: wassd13 on July 01, 2010, 09:28:01 pm
Post by: Antagon on July 07, 2010, 02:48:41 pm
Post by: killsdazombies on July 07, 2010, 02:59:44 pm
Post by: wassd13 on July 09, 2010, 04:04:30 am
when we played that match? same mark and same base? also unupgraded?yeah i remember atleast 4 lightnings
Post by: Antagon on July 11, 2010, 10:12:17 pm
Post by: Chatix on July 13, 2010, 04:10:57 pm
especially with the cost,
but if they have like a fire buckler,
or just a fire shield,
you're doomed.. Well, kinda,
but your survive ratio can almost go to 10-20%
Good going!
Post by: Antagon on July 14, 2010, 11:53:45 pm
Post by: BloodlinE on July 15, 2010, 03:02:45 am
Post by: DRROXO on July 15, 2010, 03:17:09 am
Post by: Antagon on July 15, 2010, 10:41:33 am
use fire sheilds and owels eye insted of fog and arsenicfog is best choice cause:
1.) fast
2.) against other rush-decks, youll get the opportunity by preventing him to do dmg
3.) fast
arsenic is best choice cause:
1.) fast
2.) great dmg potential if played early
3.) fast
enough said.
Post by: Rod Whiler on July 17, 2010, 01:20:10 pm
fog is best choice cause:you forgot 4.) cheap! otherwise you could take a dusk ;-)
1.) fast
2.) against other rush-decks, youll get the opportunity by preventing him to do dmg
3.) fast
i actually used such a deck (with 2 discords) i think i will give the arsenics a try :-) works but :entropy tends to be a little bit overused...
Post by: Antagon on July 20, 2010, 10:10:39 pm
Post by: nilsieboy on July 21, 2010, 09:18:44 am
Post by: Antagon on July 24, 2010, 01:47:22 pm
Post by: Retribution on July 26, 2010, 06:24:08 pm
Also, would this work for T50? I know it does for AI3, and doesn't do very effectively at AI5.
Post by: Antagon on July 26, 2010, 08:04:19 pm
upgraded its a bit weak! (or you need far better draws), i played this version for a while, but i think the rainbows with supernovas and entropy marks are far better than this deck.
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6u1 6u1 71a 71a 74f 77g 77g 77g 77g 77g 7ah 7dm 7dm 7ds 7n0 7n0 80a 80a 80a 80a
Post by: Waff on July 27, 2010, 01:16:47 am
Post by: Antagon on July 27, 2010, 01:51:48 am
Post by: Retribution on July 27, 2010, 02:02:54 am
(Not for false gods)
Post by: Antagon on July 27, 2010, 03:35:15 am
Post by: Waff on July 27, 2010, 04:27:48 pm
Post by: Vikingblood on September 14, 2010, 02:10:22 pm
why fog-shield? because of low cost I guess...I dont have any Arsenic's yet...but I think this also should work with 2 Vampire stilletos
Post by: geekz_always_win on September 15, 2010, 10:03:44 pm
Used this rainbow and modified it a bit, took out freeze and added a Fire Eater, and it works better IMO.
Deflags and Momentums only take up 2 quanta each, so it's fine.
It wins at least 60% of T50 games, if not more.
Post by: Justjewit on September 24, 2010, 02:07:33 am
I added a blessing which really helped
Post by: teffy on October 04, 2010, 07:46:41 pm
Post by: DJBYRON on October 05, 2010, 03:42:13 pm
Post by: Ryan666 on October 07, 2010, 07:16:32 pm
:fire
Post by: Vikingblood on October 21, 2010, 11:50:23 pm
having the aresenics must really make a difference thoMay be..but I beat this deck using 2 Vampire stiletto instead of Arsenics ( I dont have them as well, its the only weapon I am missing). The Vampire stiletto reduce the darkness quanta needed for Lyacanthropees but its still ok. Upped Vampire dagger does not work so well, the increase in quanta from 1 -> 2 is heavier than the attack gain from 4 -> 6.
This deck really can be modified and is still useful. I removed the Momentums, added a third deflag, added a Pulvy...many possibilities. Another card that works nice is Holy Light. I also think Reverse Time should work but I haven't tested it.
Here is a version with some upped cards (I dont have so many upped cards yet) which I used for T50 and also its ok for PvP2.
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4sa 4sa 4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 590 590 590 590 5c1 5c1 5f6 5f6 5i7 5og 5og 5oh 5ur 5ur 61q 61q 6qq 6qq 6qq 6rm 6rn 6rn 6u3 6u3 77f 77g 77g 80eI added only 2 supernovas cause you need 2 entropy quanta to cast it.
Pulvy and Electrecutor are nice weapons for control, but really need to be upped.
I added the Thunderstorm against Ray-of-Light : Hope decks..but I it was only used seldom, so may be remove it again.
Cheers
Post by: e7th04sh on October 30, 2010, 05:27:33 pm
I was wondering about a few things tough.
First the single freeze. Forest spirits make good use of :water, and while i agree in most cases a single :water spent on freezing will be more effective than buffing spirit additional +2/+2, but perhaps swapping freeze for something could be an improvement in the end? And double Arsenic doesn't seem to be better than Arsenic + Poison combination on average.
As for life, Blessing costs 3 which means the casting of it will be quite delayed which is ok - you need creatures first - but then +3/+3 is not very effective use of a card space.
I would got for swapping Freeze and one Arsenic for two Poisons, what do you think?
Post by: Davop on January 25, 2011, 02:37:28 am
Post by: Gocubbies1212 on September 12, 2011, 12:24:21 am
Post by: RootRanger on September 12, 2011, 12:36:11 am
the original deck is earth mark, correct?I'll let you figure this one out yourself. Here's the deck code in the original post if it helps.
[deck mark=EARTH author=Antagon]4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52q 52q 55q 55q 590 590 590 590 590 5c1 5c1 5f6 5f6 5i7 5og 5og 61q 61q[/deck]
Post by: Gocubbies1212 on September 12, 2011, 11:44:44 am
... *facepalm* whoops, thanksthe original deck is earth mark, correct?I'll let you figure this one out yourself. Here's the deck code in the original post if it helps.[deck mark=EARTH author=Antagon]4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52q 52q 55q 55q 590 590 590 590 590 5c1 5c1 5f6 5f6 5i7 5og 5og 61q 61q[/deck]
Post by: Antagon on September 13, 2011, 12:03:01 am
Post by: loadquo on September 16, 2011, 01:58:34 am
If you do get it early, it helps against nightmare-d GOTP and good quanta denial decks, which other wise this deck struggles with. Adding in another is probably over the top though.
Edit: I'm going to try adding in an enchant artifact, as steals/deflagration really annoy me. I've also had some success with a quintessence instead of one lightning. That helps against aether stall with lobo and antimatter and lots of high CC decks (multi owl-eye decks).
Post by: Wimbledofy on October 01, 2011, 06:49:14 pm
Post by: furballdn on October 01, 2011, 06:55:08 pm
Post by: stewie on October 14, 2011, 03:25:49 pm
Post by: Phaser on October 18, 2011, 11:34:12 pm
Post by: Phaser on October 18, 2011, 11:38:01 pm
It works well in silver league. My question is, there's any upgraded version? Or, what should i upgrade or build now?What ever you do, do NOT upgrade novas! And did you modify it for silver league?
Post by: furballdn on October 19, 2011, 12:35:54 am
Post by: stewie on October 19, 2011, 01:43:10 pm
No I didn't modify at all for silver league, it works pretty well. But now i'm uppgrading cards to build this deckIt works well in silver league. My question is, there's any upgraded version? Or, what should i upgrade or build now?What ever you do, do NOT upgrade novas! And did you modify it for silver league?
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29406.0.html
I only have supernovas uppgraded and i'm farming in gold league, but, not very good results, but you win 130-150 electrum so... for me it's good farming gold whit gold league killer deck...
And i don't have 2 discords I only have one and i use 1 discord + 1 pulverizer.
Post by: jawesome1 on November 23, 2011, 10:31:53 pm
Post by: furballdn on November 23, 2011, 11:39:54 pm
I only have one arsenic, would replacing the other with a hammer work well?If you have a vampire stilleto that would be better than the hammer.
Post by: jawesome1 on November 26, 2011, 06:35:23 pm
Post by: furballdn on November 26, 2011, 11:55:11 pm
i dont :(Short sword or hammer or maybe another quantum pillar would probably be a good replacement then.
Post by: Antagon on November 28, 2011, 06:37:41 am
I don't have two Arsenics but is it okay if I replace them with my 2 Farenheits ?fhs are pretty useless.
you could simply add 2 poison instead, or take out a momentum too and add 1 mummy, 1 quantum pillar and a black hole.
many options here.
Post by: puri1 on November 29, 2011, 05:13:29 am
Another option I've been running for a while with this terrific deck is -1 Arsenic, -1 Freeze and +1 Deathstalker, +1 Blessing (+1 Chaos Power if you've got it and don't mind a partially upped deck). The poisonous critter needs either one of the two Momentums, a Blessing, or your CP if you've got it, which trust me happens much more often than you'd think. I love seeing the poison counter go up by three with a buffed Deathstalker and Arsenic, and a Momentum-Deathstalker helps bypass the inundation of aether stall in PvP and Bronze League. If you lack both Arsenics, then Antagon's suggestion of a Mummy is a good idea.I don't have two Arsenics but is it okay if I replace them with my 2 Farenheits ?fhs are pretty useless.
you could simply add 2 poison instead, or take out a momentum too and add 1 mummy, 1 quantum pillar and a black hole.
many options here.
Post by: SilverHearts on December 03, 2011, 04:09:57 am
Post by: puri1 on December 03, 2011, 04:55:53 am
i only have one Arsenic, and i dont know what i cant substitute it with.There's plenty of suggestions on the thread, including mine just a single post above yours. Maybe I misunderstood you but it seems you're asking something that multiple people have asked and have been given an answer to on this very thread. Take the time to read a thread and see if your question has been answered before asking a question next time :(. Some suggestions have been: +1 Poison, +1 Deathstalker and +1 Blessing, +1 Black Hole, +1 Vampire Dagger, or +1 Mummy.
Post by: Elbirn on December 05, 2011, 09:19:40 pm
... The only difference I am running with a sanctuary instead of an arsenic. Mainly because I only had one arsenic to start with, but now I think it give you better control over aether-stallers (with a fog shield and this up you can survive for a long time vs a couple of astral dragons) and it is targetted by the AI for deflagration before the more important fog shield.^This gent here seems to be onto something. A sanctuary would make use of the unused light quanta AND shutdown gotp and devtal decks.
If you do get it early, it helps against nightmare-d GOTP and good quanta denial decks, which other wise this deck struggles with. Adding in another is probably over the top though.
I think the key to replacing one or two arsenics is to make use of either death or light quanta, as they otherwise would do nothing. If you pick a card from one of those two elements to replace them, then you won't throw off the quanta balance. I've been running the deck with -1 arsenic +1 morning star, for example. Now I'm considering going -2 Arsenics +2 sanctuaries, though I'm not sure I would get the light quanta to play both, plus the lack of the poison based weapon would slow the rush a little.
Maybe..
-1 arsenic + 1 sanctuary
- 2 arsenic + 2 sanctuary
-1 arsenic + 1 poison
-2 arsenic + 2 poison
-2 arsenic + 1 deathstalker + 1 blessing (Someone elses idea)
Just to make a short list of potential combos for light/death.
EDIT:
-1 arsenic + 1 crusader? (Can endow with arsenic?!) :D *Had first really good idea methinks*
Post by: puri1 on December 09, 2011, 04:41:48 am
-1 arsenic + 1 crusader? (Can endow with arsenic?!) :D *Had first really good idea methinks*Oooh, be careful there. That costs 8 light quanta unupped to pull off the combo. If you'll notice, Antagon cleverly kept the quanta usage for each element at about 4 quanta per element total in the deck. Fire, Time, and the variable Water used for the FS's growth are the only exceptions (of course, Earth is an exception because of the mark). Throwing down 8 light quanta for a single monster which can be rewinded, etc. does not overcome the costs. That's why Blessing or Sanc have been proposed, they both fall in the roughly 4 light quanta range. Poison or Deathstalker were also suggested because they would act as a quick and dirty alternative to a second Arsenic while still keeping at a 4 Poison quanta limit.
Post by: furballdn on December 09, 2011, 04:49:36 am
Post by: Violenceisanart on December 24, 2011, 12:41:27 am
Post by: Stealth5208 on December 24, 2011, 03:52:32 am
Post by: ddevans96 on December 24, 2011, 04:00:56 am
Post by: Stealth5208 on December 24, 2011, 04:22:44 am
You should probably read the tourney rules first. Both this week's format and the general rules.I did, sadly this deck would be horribly ineffective due to the fact that grabiods are banned... :(
Post by: Powerfrog on January 10, 2012, 02:20:11 am
Any suggestions on upgrade order, to use as an arena farmer?
Post by: furballdn on January 10, 2012, 02:39:41 am
I run a very similar deck, with -2 arsenic +1 vamp dagger +1 acceleration +1 pillar +1 blessingNot really sure why you put in acceleration. As for an arena farmer, you should go up 6 novas first. They're pretty useful and flexible.
Any suggestions on upgrade order, to use as an arena farmer?
Post by: Powerfrog on January 10, 2012, 02:47:22 am
Took out 1 momentum and replaced with a mummy, to make use of all elements.I run a very similar deck, with -2 arsenic +1 vamp dagger +1 acceleration +1 pillar +1 blessingNot really sure why you put in acceleration. As for an arena farmer, you should go up 6 novas first. They're pretty useful and flexible.
Any suggestions on upgrade order, to use as an arena farmer?
I put acceleration in because it really helps you outdamage a big rush, and is viable last resort CC for things like devourers or nasty ability creatures. I don't really need the momentums as deflag usually takes care of pesky shields.
If i'd upgrade novas i'd definatley have to remove a few graboids and use mark of entropy... Would be awesome quanta though.
Post by: furballdn on January 10, 2012, 02:50:06 am
Acceleration doesn't do much for devourers since their ability is passive, but I can see you using it as a lobotmizer. Okay. If you do go the nova route, change your mark to entropy, and build a SNbow using much more cards from all elements. This deck is quite successful since it has no upgrades, but once you go into upgraded territory, that's a whole new metagame.Took out 1 momentum and replaced with a mummy, to make use of all elements.I run a very similar deck, with -2 arsenic +1 vamp dagger +1 acceleration +1 pillar +1 blessingNot really sure why you put in acceleration. As for an arena farmer, you should go up 6 novas first. They're pretty useful and flexible.
Any suggestions on upgrade order, to use as an arena farmer?
I put acceleration in because it really helps you outdamage a big rush, and is viable last resort CC for things like devourers or nasty ability creatures. I don't really need the momentums as deflag usually takes care of pesky shields.
If i'd upgrade novas i'd definatley have to remove a few graboids and use mark of entropy... Would be awesome quanta though.
Post by: Sk1llsIll on February 11, 2012, 05:40:14 pm
Post by: Oopogo on March 01, 2012, 09:25:04 pm
Thanks to the original poster!
Post by: EMZheath on June 05, 2013, 04:27:00 am
Even though no one going to see it. :(
Post by: Calindu on June 05, 2013, 04:44:49 am
Epic Deck :)
Even though no one going to see it. :(
This made me lol, this deck is one of the most overused in this game and has its own place in Community-recommended (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,38675.0.html) Decks (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,38677.0.html).
Post by: EMZheath on June 05, 2013, 10:33:25 pm
I meant the comment to the creater of it.Epic Deck :)
Even though no one going to see it. :(
This made me lol, this deck is one of the most overused in this game and has its own place in Community-recommended (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,38675.0.html) Decks (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,38677.0.html).
He won't see it.
But,I don't know if he will see it or not.
And I know it was not clear but that what I meant.
Post by: Antagon on May 03, 2019, 05:13:16 am
Epic Deck :)
Even though no one going to see it. :(
This made me lol, this deck is one of the most overused in this game and has its own place in Community-recommended (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,38675.0.html) Decks (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,38677.0.html).
Saw it ;)
Post by: Wyand on May 03, 2019, 08:53:06 am
Post by: moehrpi on May 03, 2019, 09:00:28 am
Which means you are the inventor of the grabbow...? WOW! :)
Not only that. (http://'http://elementscommunity.org/forum/humor/antagon-jokes/')
Post by: RootRanger on May 03, 2019, 04:17:53 pm
Saw it ;)
Heh nice to see you around. Idk if you remember me but we played in a couple of the same events way back before you left. Would love to see you stick around a bit if you can.
Post by: Antagon on May 10, 2019, 09:54:07 am
Heh nice to see you around. Idk if you remember me but we played in a couple of the same events way back before you left. Would love to see you stick around a bit if you can.
Of course i can remember, and i'll try to have a glance in here from time to time