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Foreign Legion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57563.msg1178907#msg1178907
« on: February 10, 2015, 05:30:35 am »
A rainbow deck designed not for effectiveness, but for fun. Seven different weapons, six flying weapon cards, and a few crusaders. It wins more often than I was expecting, but it's still rather pointless when it comes to serious gameplay. Any suggestions to make it a more usable deck would be appreciated. If it has one strength, it's variety; it challenges you to change strategies every time you play.

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Re: Foreign Legion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57563.msg1178917#msg1178917
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2015, 07:39:24 am »
I'd use a different shield, since you already use 11 :air without it (excluding sniping creatures).
alternatively, you can replace owl's eye for another weapon.

I'm unsure if that single nova is beneficial, and better than a quantum pillar.
The deck isn't that fast to begin with, and how much does 1 nova speed it up?
Now, I'd try both maximizing and minimizing novae.
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Re: Foreign Legion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57563.msg1178987#msg1178987
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2015, 01:50:23 am »
Thank you. Those seem like good suggestions. What shield would you recommend though? My main reason for choosing fog shield was how cheap it is.

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Re: Foreign Legion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57563.msg1178990#msg1178990
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2015, 02:05:01 am »
At a quick glance, I'd go with Solar Shield for it's relatively low cost and it's help in light production. Skull Shield might be useful too, but Arsenic uses death quanta as well.

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Re: Foreign Legion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57563.msg1179013#msg1179013
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2015, 06:12:12 am »
A trick I saw with Crusaders is that if you Momentum a Flying Weapon, any Crusader who targets that weapon will also get Momentum. Since this deck uses no :gravity quanta, throwing in a couple Momentums would basically be free of cost.
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Re: Foreign Legion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57563.msg1179015#msg1179015
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2015, 06:15:13 am »
A trick I saw with Crusaders is that if you Momentum a Flying Weapon, any Crusader who targets that weapon will also get Momentum. Since this deck uses no :gravity quanta, throwing in a couple Momentums would basically be free of cost.

Pulvy. Sure you won't draw it all the time, but pulvy upkeep with so little quanta sources in a rainbow deck like this, that once you do, you either won't play momentum or won't use ability of pulvy.
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Re: Foreign Legion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57563.msg1179025#msg1179025
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2015, 08:54:06 am »
A trick I saw with Crusaders is that if you Momentum a Flying Weapon, any Crusader who targets that weapon will also get Momentum. Since this deck uses no :gravity quanta, throwing in a couple Momentums would basically be free of cost.

Pulvy. Sure you won't draw it all the time, but pulvy upkeep with so little quanta sources in a rainbow deck like this, that once you do, you either won't play momentum or won't use ability of pulvy.
Oops. I overlooked that, sorry. But still, if this is for fun, I think it would be worth a try ;)
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Re: Foreign Legion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57563.msg1179193#msg1179193
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2015, 09:34:02 pm »
I would -1 Fog Shield, +2 Solar Shields, -1 Nova, and change mark to Air. It gives you the needed light quanta relatively reliably, and makes Air production more constant, both for Owl's Eye and FW.
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Re: Foreign Legion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57563.msg1180608#msg1180608
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2015, 04:44:15 pm »
Breaking this deck down, we have 7 weapons which can be divided into 3 categories:
a) Weapons with passive skills: Discord(3 :entropy - 4 damage with partial quanta denial), Arsenic(2  :death 2 damage cumulative poison), Vampire Stiletto(2  :darkness 4 damage + heal)
b) Weapons with active skills requiring quanta of their Mark: Owl's eye 5 :air and 2  :air for active skill 5 damage, Lobo 3 + 2  :aether - 5 damage
c) Weapons with active skills requiring quanta of another mark: Pulverizer :earth + 3 :gravity for skill - 5 damage, Trident 3 :water + 3  :earth for skill - 4 damage.

Weapons not used :
Druidic staff 2 :life with passive skill - low damage of 2, 5 heal
Titan 5 :gravity with passive skill - 7 damage, momentum
Morning Star 5 :light - 7 damage, cant be targeted
Fahrenheit 3 :fire passive skill - 4+x damage
Eternity 6 :time + 3 :time for active skill - 4 damage

Now weapons which will have quanta conflict:
Titan if Pulvi is used.
Pulvi if trident is used.

And weapons requiring a lot of quanta:
Owl's eye - Necessary CC.
Eternity - too costly to be effective
Pulvi - PC, who doesn't want.
Trident - Quanta denial*
(* Condition apply effective if drawn early - now thats a slim chance in 30 card deck)

High damage Weapons:
Morning star (Will have contest for  :light if crusader are used), Titan


So if are we to choose 7 weapons:
CC - Owl's eye
PC - Pulvi
Suporting Cast - Discord, Arsenic, Vampire Stiletto
2 out of 4 - Lobo or Druidic staff or Morning star or Fahrenheit


Weapons not used Trident, Titan, Eternity plus 2 from above.

Since the deck cannot rush the opponent, We can use crusaders to add firepower or stall/control.
7 weapons + 6 flying weapons, that's 13 cards already. That leaves us 17 cards for quanta source, crusaders/stalling/control cards.
This deck may need around 10 quanta pillars. Which leaves us 7 cards.

Options:
Shields if crusaders are used: Skull 3 :death, Solar 3 :light, Fog 2 :air
others-  titanium 4 :earth , Emerald 5  :life, Ice 6 :water, Procastination 6 :time
If going for Control/Stall
 CC: Lightning 2 :aether, Reverse time 2 :time, shockwave 2 :air, Plague 4 :death, BB 2 :earth, rage potion 3 :fire, freeze 1 :water
 Heal: Heal 3 :life, Holy light 1 :light


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I agree using Solar shield to generate  :light quanta is good idea.

What Devourer proposed:
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Against AI3, using this deck I won 14 games out of 25 with 2 EM(when crusaders can endow a early Vampire Stiletto), losses mainly to fire and dark(lost all 4), rush from firefly queen, rainbow, and bad RNG. Ya fun. But dunno how this will play in pvp.



I think going :aether way using dimension shield, quintessence with few above mentioned stalling/control cards, making a fat deck will be a nice idea. Gonna try and see what I can come up with.

To be continued.





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