Putting the "Speed" in Speedbow: Elder Destruction 101

[Higurashi]

This is the best speedbow for Elders there is. This is a post to get it into the archives, dang nab it.

[willng3]

Thanks for the incentive, too bad my own comments don't count towards that since I'm the only one who seems crazy about this deck >_>

Anyways, in light of the AI being "smarter" I decided to remove the Werewolf in favor of another Chaos Power.  Don't really know if it's making that big of a difference, but I'm still not losing with it so it appears I didn't seriously mess it up beyond repair

[ddevans96]

I remember when you talked about this in chat during your initial testing. Zero losses in 200 games is just amazing to me. Great statistics and breakdown, and definitely worthy of the archive.

[icecoldbro]

Let it be in Archive.
If this really is getting 0 losses vs the new improved ai3, it makes it more efficient in killing than USEM vs the old ai3, which is impressive enough.
Considering this is fast and has no losses we might be actually contemplating at the best ai3 grinder that isn't for EM.
This post is too get it in archive faster.

[Tea is good]

Did this thread just come into existence or was I blind?

btw, you put vampire stiletto above duck mantle in permanent destruction order. I mean, this is duck mantle we are talking about.

And the t50 version is basically flawless. I mean, compared to lava golem rushes, it gets way more ems and is barely slower.

[willng3]

btw, you put vampire stiletto above duck mantle in permanent destruction order. I mean, this is duck mantle we are talking about.

You know, I know I had a good reason for posting it in that order, but now I can't remember what it was so I'm just going to say it was my fail.  I need to update that guide anyways since there are a few changes in the AI's strategy, but the overall effect is practically the exact same.

And the t50 version is basically flawless. I mean, compared to lava golem rushes, it gets way more ems and is barely slower.

Yeah I fell in love with the T50 version pretty quickly.  If the KOTH thread was still active I would probably submit it there, but as it is vNG will remain supreme forever.  I get the impression it's more effective than the Healbow T50 version, but I don't have the stats to back up such a statement so I definitely wouldn't take my word for it.

Also, thanks for all the love guys!  This baby's getting submitted to the Archive ASAP ^_^

[pikachufan2164]

/Team Aether pile-up FTW

You know you play too much AI3 when you start doing in-depth strategy notes for each one of them XD

Great work, Will.

[scauduro221095]

Both the AI 3 and the T50 decks are brilliant and i havent lost with either yet +karma

[willng3]

1.272:

I ran 100 games against the new AI with a slight adjustment:

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6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6u2 6u2 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 713 713 745 77g 77g 7ah 7ah 7dm 7dm 7dq 7ju 7mu 7t9 7tb 80a 80a 80g
Only reason for this adjustment is because 1) The Werewolf is very vulnerable when first played and 2) The Werewolf costs 2 which is too expensive for my tastes.  Also, the extra CP is important as it allows the other creatures to survive longer and deal more damage as well; most of these creatures deal more damage than the Wolf would ever do.

Games:   100
   
avg. Sec/Game:   64.460
Sec/Turn:   9.2482066
Clicks/Game:   16.880
Clicks/Turn:   2.421807747
Score/Min:   17.94601303
Electrum/Min:   18.73720137
   
Time overall (min.):   107.433
Wins:   100
Ems:   17
Losses:   0
Score:   1928
Electrum:   2013
Avg ttw:   6.970
   
ttw Details:   
ttw 3:   0
ttw 4:   1
ttw 5:   14
ttw 6:   32
ttw 7:   21
ttw 8:   16
ttw 9:   11
ttw 10:   3
ttw 11:   0
ttw 12:   0
ttw 13:   1
ttw 14:   1
ttw 15:   0
ttw 16:   0

That's right, 100/100 wins again.  TTW is a tad bit slower than before just because the AI knows how to really stall you now.  However, this bit of time with this deck has made me realize how I really detest that Steam Machine can't be killed with a single Thunderbolt (5HP from death is not fun at all) >_>

I'll modify a few more points in the OP after this latest test run.

[Sevs]

This is a great deck, you have found the perfect balance between speed and control.

[Higurashi]

However, this bit of time with this deck has made me realize how I really detest that Steam Machine can't be killed with a single Thunderbolt (5HP from death is not fun at all) >_>

Hm, yeah.. that's where I usually run a Gravity Force to make sure it dies no matter what it is. I guess it would be useful against the FFQ Elder too, but it ends there because the Pharaoh Elder is just too slow. I feel like a Mind Flayer wouldn't be as useful either. Bit of a pickle.

[willng3]

However, this bit of time with this deck has made me realize how I really detest that Steam Machine can't be killed with a single Thunderbolt (5HP from death is not fun at all) >_>

Hm, yeah.. that's where I usually run a Gravity Force to make sure it dies no matter what it is. I guess it would be useful against the FFQ Elder too, but it ends there because the Pharaoh Elder is just too slow. I feel like a Mind Flayer wouldn't be as useful either. Bit of a pickle.

Yeah I love the Ulitharid in the T50 version.  The problem with the AI3 version is that that balance between speed and control has to be maintained...and I just don't think Mindflayer can step up to that position.  Bit of a pickle indeed, especially since I can see that the Steam Machines are going to be the biggest threat. Hmm...