Pitchblack Hole [Upped][Silver][Shardless][1.32]

[Keolino]

I once thought that I would never build a deck that would be worth to be recognized. But appearently I did it

Pitchblack Hole

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Silver Arena

Combined stats from megron, spike, and keolino's stats are:

118W 32L 78.67%WR 7.58TTW 16/118EM 13.56%EMR 5.82SSPH 4223.55UEI

edit: Things the 150 game test mean: this deck is #1 in shardless SSPH in silver, #2 (by a low margin) in shardless SSPH against any target, and essentially tied (with arena TADA) for #1 in shardless UEI in silver. Probably generally speaking a better choice than FEVER due to the significant increase in money even with the tiny drop in SSPH.

But first to the deck: It's, as anybody can see, a hybrid between a speedbow and a discord/blackhole bow, quite similar to Arena TADA 1.32, with the difference that, except for the disc-hole cards and an explosion, I put everything in to reach maximum speed, as well as a good quanta balance. (You may switch a frog for a flesh recluse, because Elite Queen is in this deck as well, but it won't make much difference because flesh recluse can't be played as fast as a frog...)

With all that said, this deck is quite easy to play, only thing too keep in mind that you shouldn't waste the black holes if the opponent won't be able to play anything anyway in the next turn, and don't EVER waste the explosion. You have only one, and against a mono aether, this is the only card which can lead to your win once the first dimensional shield is out. You may want to play the explosion fast, to disable him from playing another one with a discord and a blackhole the next turn, or you may want to keep it in hand till you can finish him in one turn.

Anyway, if you are looking for money as well as rares, there aren't many decks (and no shardless deck) which can top this deck of mine right now. But as anybody can see, I only played 50 games with this deck right now, and even though I will play more over time, further testing by other players would be appreciated.

[dragtom]

I found that only 1 explosion as pc hurts way too much.
Sure, you can break a dimshield chain with it, or you can save it till you can kill the opponent in once.
But there is only 1. By the time you draw it, it is quite likely the opponent has killed you.
Replacing gargoyle for a steal, or minor phoenix for a 2nd explosion hurts the speed, though.
I have no idea how to solve this.

[Keolino]

I found that only 1 explosion as pc hurts way too much.
Sure, you can break a dimshield chain with it, or you can save it till you can kill the opponent in once.
But there is only 1. By the time you draw it, it is quite likely the opponent has killed you.
Replacing gargoyle for a steal, or minor phoenix for a 2nd explosion hurts the speed, though.
I have no idea how to solve this.

And here I found that one explosion is just fine. Sure, against Aether, it can get a pain in the ass, but there aren't only aether decks in silver. The speed is more important. If the speed is decreased further, than you would need to add fog shields or something else with stalling capability as well.

And according to my experience, if you face an aether deck, there are four possibilities:
1. You stall him to death with discord and blackhole. Since aether decks need lots of quanta, this is a likely outcome.
2. He doesn't draw/play a dim shield in time, even without stalling him. He plays some creatures and you finish him off fast.
3. You use the explosion to break through the dim shield chain to either finish him in one turn or reduce his quanta to a state where he can't use another dim shield.
4. You lose.

Yeah, it's like a gamble against aether decks. But against any other decks, more than one PC (for dusk mantle or fog shield or something similar) is pretty useless most of the time. So to get more speed I chose to not beat every aether deck that i come across. (And looking at the SSPH, it was the right choice) (Aside from that, against some decks PC is just dead weight and with each of them speed and win chance decreases(against mono darkness and mono death you need as much speed as possible if you don't have some more stalling.)



If you want change, replace the explosion and the gargoyle for 2 steals, and replace the minor phoenix for a lava destroyer. Then probably repace one grabroid with flesh recluse. (I haven't tried anything of that, and won't try it because I don't think a second PC will help much at all, but I guess these would be the first things I would try out.)

[ColorlessGreen]

Out of curiosity, roughly how much mono aether would you say you encountered in your test?

[SpikeSpiegel]

Silver:
W: 40   L: 10   WR: 80%   TTW: 7.2   EM: 5/40   EMR: 12.5%   UEI: 4505.28   SSPH: 6.42

With these stats, this deck is the fastest shardless currently tested Special Spin farmer, it's even faster than FEVER in bronze. (which was one amazing deck already)

I don't trust too much on these stats. I'm gonna do a TTW study with this deck vs Silver, then we can discuss about it. Since now I can say a mono can easily beat it...

[Keolino]

Out of curiosity, roughly how much mono aether would you say you encountered in your test?

It's been some time already since I played for these stats, but I can tell that 4 of the losses were against mono aether. I have encounterd about 10 mono aether decks, probably more...

I don't trust too much on these stats. I'm gonna do a TTW study with this deck vs Silver, then we can discuss about it. Since now I can say a mono can easily beat it...

I already told you everything there is against aether already. And if you don't believe these stats, you can always collect some more.

[SpikeSpiegel]

Stats after 50 games:

Games played: 50
Games won: 40
Win rate: 80.0%
EM: 4
EM rate: 8.0 %
Average TTW: 7.975
  earned: 2719
Cards obtained: 16
Special spins: 5

IMHO: this deck is an average Entropy bow, quanta control oriented more then CC (absent) or PC then other EntBows. Main two problems of this deck are the lack of PC (it feels very much, expecially when facin' a phase shield chain) and the total assence of CC. A fast deck (fire rush or life rush) can easily beat it.

About your stats: win rate is the same, so nothing to say about it. But the TTW: 7.2 is pretty different from 7.9, considerin' that the last game I've won in 5 turns facing a 50-60 HPs deck, otherwise the average TTW would be 8 or above.

In conclusion: 50 games are better then nothing to test a deck, but they are still few and you/we/all need muche more testing games to say something like:

With these stats, this deck is the fastest shardless currently tested Special Spin farmer, it's even faster than FEVER in bronze.

Or not?

 

[ColorlessGreen]

[11:57:17] MegroN: ‹@ColorlessGreen› WR: 76% (38-12) , TTW: 7.55, EM: 7

Combined stats from megron, spike, and keolino's stats are:

118W 32L 78.67%WR 7.58TTW 16/118EM 13.56%EMR 5.82SSPH 4223.55UEI

I'm also working on some tests, though they might not be finished until later this weekend sometime next week.

edit: Things the 150 game test mean: this deck is #1 in shardless SSPH in silver, #2 (by a low margin) in shardless SSPH against any target, and essentially tied (with arena TADA) for #1 in shardless UEI in silver. Probably generally speaking a better choice than FEVER due to the significant increase in money even with the tiny drop in SSPH.

[Keolino]

About your stats: win rate is the same, so nothing to say about it. But the TTW: 7.2 is pretty different from 7.9, considerin' that the last game I've won in 5 turns facing a 50-60 HPs deck, otherwise the average TTW would be 8 or above.

In conclusion: 50 games are better then nothing to test a deck, but they are still few and you/we/all need muche more testing games to say something like:

With these stats, this deck is the fastest shardless currently tested Special Spin farmer, it's even faster than FEVER in bronze.

Or not?

 

I already knew that I would need to say something like that if I want other people to test my deck as well And as I said "with these stats" you should already know that I didn't completely trust them myself. But it is still a very good deck and not only your "average" entropy deck.

And by the way, it was the exact same with FEVER. First there were amazing results, which weren't completely right (even after a 100 games test) after all.

[SpikeSpiegel]

No malice in that "average". You can sub it with "common".

[Keeps]

I'll add my 25 more games to the stats
8.14 TTW
75.85 Sec Per Game
Wins: 19
Loses: 6
EMs: 2, 8%
76% WR
6 Cards Won
2 Special Spins


Loses:
2 Rainbow Rushes with Blackholes
1 Rainbow Rush with more hit points
1 mono Aether
1 mono fire with a bunch of firestores and no discords came along to break up the damage
1 mono gravity, against blackholes caused a problem.

Perhaps if I didn't run into so many decks having black-holes I wouldn't have had such a problem.   Still a very fast deck and a solid grinder

[CrockettRocket]

Id replace a frog with either a 2nd hourglass, a precognition, or shard of bravery. Probably not the last one cause you want shardless